Obama DOJ Claims International Treaties Trump the U.S. Constitution

 
UN As Americans argue over Obamacare, illegal immigration and a variety of other important issues, the very real threat of Second Amendment infringements continues to creep as anti-gun rights advocates seek to approve the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). The United Nations General Assembly approved the ATT earlier this year, which has been designed to regulate the traffic and possession of weapons between countries. The treaty has been signed by Secretary of State John Kerry, however the international treaty must be approved by the Senate in order to be recognized. While Kerry and others try to gain support for the treaty, Tea Party Senator Ted Cruz warns that the Obama Administration is already making the argument that an international treaty supersedes the rights outlined in the Constitution. Justice Department attorneys are arguing before the Supreme Court a position that undermines American sovereignty. Obama’s Department of Justice is arguing that a law that abides by an international treaty adopted by the U.S. would allow the federal government to prosecute a case that would otherwise be handled by state or local authorities. The case in question is Bond v. United States, where a woman allegedly used chemical agents for revenge against a woman with whom her husband had an affair. While the use of a weapon would normally fall under the state’s jurisdiction to prosecute, the federal government has gotten involved and seeks to undermine state sovereignty by claiming that the woman is in violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention Implementation Act, the international agreement that Syrian dictator Bashar Assad has been accused of violating. While the woman’s actions may be heinous, the DOJ’s position, if affirmed, would place the federal government in a position to use international treaties to prosecute American citizens.
“The Constitution created a limited federal government with only specific enumerated powers,” Cruz told said in an interview. “The Supreme Court should not interpret the treaty power in a manner that undermines this bedrock protection of individual liberty.”
Bond’s lawyer similarly agrees, stating,
“The problem here is precisely that Congress, rather than implementing the treaty consistent with our constitutional system of federalism, enacted a statute that, if construed to apply to petitioner’s conduct, would violate basic structural guarantees and exceed Congress’s enumerated powers.”
The issue is much larger than who gets to prosecute the defendant. If this position is allowed to stand, then the federal government is in a position to invoke treaties that run contrary to our constitiuional protections. If anti-gun rights supporters can garner the necessary votes in the Senate to pass the ATT, then the ATT can be used to restrict American Second Amendment liberties under the authority of the international treaty. The treaty calls for regulation of firearms and while it’s supporters have claimed that the treaty does not violate our Constitutional rights, the very nature of the treaty’s enforcement suggests otherwise as a registry would be necessary to enforce the provisions of the treaty to crack down on gun trafficking. As the U.N. is largely concerned with where the firearms ultimately end up, it would be impossible to track firearm usage without noting who bought each firearm and when. Further, the treaty would afford the international community greater powers to regulate arms imports and exports, conceivably allowing for the barring of import or export of certain classes of firearms to and from the U.S. that “endanger women and children.” With such broad, overreaching outlines as to what the treaty does and does not do, it quite naturally has gun rights advocates worried. The international community is largely unfriendly to the uniquely American concept that firearm ownership is a right and that government is not only allowed to permit such a right, it is duty-bound to uphold and protect that right.
“The Obama administration is once again demonstrating its contempt for our fundamental, individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “This treaty threatens individual firearm ownership with an invasive registration scheme. The NRA will continue working with the United States Senate to oppose ratification of the ATT.”
 

Comments

  1. We really do have a bunch of idiots running this country. For Americans our constitution overrides any UN resolution. I will never abide by any law established by the UN

    1. If this issue is tabled in the current senate…then in 2014 the elections go to the senate democrats and brought back up …yes… it is conceivable…Tea Party! A constitutional movement.

    2. My post was based on being pragmatic…I suggest you do the same? A web site only makes you feel good by the likes you receive…It’s like preaching to the choir…or a soapbox on the corner, if you will.

    3. The 2nd Amendment will not be attacked ..directly. Ignorant political figures statements discounted. Stipulations relevant to ‘guns’ are now being included under mandatory Health Care regulations, restrictions, periodic ‘Safety’ Inspections of private residences to identify and remove ‘dangerous’ substances, devices.

      The Left has had 100yrs of political experience to perfect and ‘dial in’ the system, by which they control the proletariat. No matter how finely tuned, in the final outcome, National Socialism always ends the same… a disaster.

    4. We don’t have idiots running the country. What we have running the country are a bunch of thieving hypocritical Communists. Idiots would be a distinct improvement.

    5. Agreed! They are anything but idiots, but they keep Joe Biden around to throw people off guard. These are very calculating, duplicitous, and conniving people who set up scenarios like this and are definitely thinking ahead to what they want to accomplish next.

      They set a rather innocuous and innocent stage, establish a power that has never existed before while making it sound beneficial, and then they turn the motors on that power to achieve the intended end goal.

      Theoretically and with a Democratic Senate, they could sign a UN Treaty to do just about anything including the creation of a US dictatorship, and once deemed passed by Harry Reid, use it to obliterate the Constitution in its entirety.

    6. Yes they could do that and I don’t doubt in the least that they have something like that in mind. Some of us however are prepared to do as our forefathers did and live free or die. Hopefully it won’t come to that but I’m ready if it does.

    7. well lets just nip that theory in the bud by just telling them flat out that no treaty trumps the US Constitution.

    8. And this is the very example of why our wise Founding Fathers gave We The People the 2nd Amendment. When our very own government becomes rouge and oppressive against it’s own citizens for which it is sworn to protect, then guns are the peoples teeth. Everybody has their breaking point but I believe when our central government attempts to stomp our final freedoms via marshal law, then the 3rd revolution will begin. We are very close to that happening now. Just like in 1861 people will be forced to chose sides. A few years ago most would not believe this could be happening in America but our government is out of control and has become the problem.This current tension between the 525 arrogant elisitst in Washington and 300 million unhappy, lied to and spied upon citizens, cannot stand long. This rouge administration never had a mandate to rule by royal fiat but that is exactly what we have in the White House and in the Senate, little wanna be dictators who have no respect for the rule law, our Constitution nor the freedoms and God given rights of We The People. Enough already.

    9. I totally agree with you and it is one reason why the second amendment is so darn important, and it is exactly what the Founding Fathers feared…God Bless the Constitution.

    10. Then you will be “relocated” into a FEMA camp for “re-education” along with your family! Unless they are the ones that betrayed you. Then they will be allowed to keep their lives of fear and servitude.

    11. Our troops are not allowed to fight under a foreign flag either but they have been under the direction of Foreign generals for over 60 years

    12. It is well-settled law that Treaties do not trump the Constitution. That is not the issue in the case, notwithstanding the hysteria this article foments. The DOJ is NOT arguing treaties trump the Constitution. The DOJ is arguing that when the US signs a treaty, and then the Senate ratifies it, and then the Congress passes legislation enacting the treaty as law, and then the President signs that legislation into law – it becomes the law of the land. The federal government has the right to criminalize conduct, and that is what this woman is being tried for – she used chemical weapons to attack a real, live human being. So, good on you for stating your would never abide by a UN established law. I agree. But what about a US law, duly passed by Congress and signed by the President? Are you patriotic enough to respect the Constitution and follow such a law?

    13. It is well-settled law that Treaties do not trump the Constitution. That is not the issue in the case, notwithstanding the hysteria this article foments. The DOJ is NOT arguing treaties trump the Constitution. The DOJ is arguing that when the US signs a treaty, and then the Senate ratifies it, and then the Congress passes legislation enacting the treaty as law, and then the President signs that legislation into law – it becomes the law of the land. The federal government has the right to criminalize conduct, and that is what this woman is being tried for – she used chemical weapons to attack a real, live human being. So, good on you for stating your would never abide by a UN established law. I agree. But what about a US law, duly passed by Congress and signed by the President? Are you patriotic enough to respect the Constitution and follow such a law?

    14. She does not need to be prosecuted by the federal government. It is a matter to be handled by the state in which the criminal activity took place. I am patriotic enough to support States Rights. The federal government is already over-stepping the power granted to it by the Constitution and, if anything, that power should be returned to the states. What is the need for double prosecution in this case? Like federal “hate crime” prosecutions, this is simply another avenue for getting around the concept of double jeopardy. Whenever the powers that be in D.C. either don’t like a not guilty verdict or disapprove of the penalty handed out for a guilty verdict, they invoke the “hate crime” law. In my opinion, the “hate crime” statute is ridiculous and unnecessary. In the first place, it is patently unconstitutional simply because it tries someone for “an alleged thought” rather than the actual commission of the criminal violation in question. We do not arrest people in this country for thinking about what they’d like to do to another individual. If we did, in light of the various recent government scandals attributed to Obama, a good portion of the American population would be in jail for what they have on their mind.

    15. This has nothing to do with thought-crimes or hate-speech. The woman attacked another using chemical weapons. She committed a real crime. You are certainly welcome to argue that this shouldn’t be the law, just don’t lie, as the author of the article to which we are commenting did, and claim that this is about International Treaties trumping the Constitution. When you endorse a lie, you’re nearly as bad as the originating liar.

    16. The treaty is null and void because it violated the Constitution, its not law in the states.
      The purpose of the Bill Of Rights was to restrict the authority of the federal government further than the main body went ( which in and of itself was limited to only the enumerated powers) in taking away powers of the people in the individual states or the rights of the people in those states.
      Thus through the treaty process those powers can never be transferred to a multinational goverence or court or even to the federal government or federal courts.

    17. That is a much, much different argument than claiming that the “DOJ says International Treaties Trump the Constitution.” You’re likely wrong in your analysis of the federal law in dispute, but right in the general statement that no treaty that violates the Constitution is enforceable. The DOJ is taking the position that the federal government may criminalize conduct, a position help constitutional many time over. You disagree. The courts will decide. Even if the court strikes down the federal law, it will not prove true the lie that the DOJ is arguing that treaties trump the Constitution.

    18. na, The Treaty was null and void from the start if it conflicted with the US Constitution.
      The same with all acts passed by congress, all decisions by the supreme court, all excutive orders by the president, all regulations and rules by the various federal department.
      When they conflict with the original meaning and intent of the US Constitution they are null and void from the start.
      Also anytime an Amendment to the Constitution conflicts with any part of the first 10 Amendments that Amendments otherwise properly based by enough of congress and enough of the states is null and void from the start or in other words it is not a valid amendment.
      For example the 18th could never be a valid amendment to the US Constitution because it conflicted with the 9th and 10th amendments.
      The Preamble to the Bill of Rights states the intent was to further restricting the authority granted the federal government in the US Constitution before those first 10 Amendments were ratified.
      That of course would include preventing through the amendment process as stated the removing of any rights of the people in general, the rights of individuals or taking away any power reserved for the states and the people in those individual states.
      States that want to give a federal government more authority may do so by leaving the union and forming another federation but the people of that state have a right to nullify the actions of the state government and any federal government or any treaty if either conflicts with the Declaration of Independence and Basic Anglo/American common law due process.

    19. And that is the big “if” that is being disputed. This article to which we are commenting hid that fact and made the brazen lie that the DOJ was arguing that treaties trump the Constitution. The DOJ has never claimed that. The DOJ is claiming that the federal government may criminalize certain conduct. It’s a fairly mundane issue, one the courts will settle, that the very far-right is conflating into a usurpation of freedom. The article and this author flat-out lied.

    20. “The article and this author flat-out lied.” As is often done in political games looking to sway a populace in their votes….

    21. “The article and this author flat-out lied.” As is often done in political games looking to sway a populace in their votes….

    22. “The article and this author flat-out lied.” As is often done in political games looking to sway a populace in their votes….

    23. Your analysis of the 18th Amendment reveals you don’t know much about Constitutional law. The 18th Amendment was constitutional as a consequence of it being ratified as an amendment to the Constitution. The power of the Constitution is in its ability to be amendded, to grow with the country. Do you similarly claim that because the original intent was to allow slavery that the 14th Amendment is also unconstitutional and that states retain the ability to make slavery legal? You should never make that argument in public again, it makes you seem sophomoric at best, and detracts from what otherwise was a good response.

    24. We are not talking about UN resolutions here. We are talking about treaties signed by the administration and ratified by a supermajority of U.S. Senators.

      Article 6 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution reads:

      This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-standing.

      Treaties do not supercede the Constitution, but they are ON PAR with it according to the Constitution itself.
      On to the Small Arms Treaty, it has no impact on domestic law and will not affect the second amendment in the United States.

    25. A treaty that conflicts with the US Constitution is null and void, article 6 in no way, shape or form states that a treaty can.
      Look at what it says, Treaties made under the authority of the United States.
      Thus the Senate by a super majority and the president can not make a treaty that conflicts with the US Constitution.

    26. In what way does the Arms Trade Treaty violate the US Constitution? And you don’t understand what the Constitution says. Treaties are ON PAR with the constitution. That language is CLEAR in Article Six.

    27. That’s true. BUT they won’t hesitate to do it and CALL it legal and binding… with the MSM either supporting them or remaining mute on the subject. Read the history of the “passage” of the 16th Amendment. It’s been done before by better men than these. Don’t put ANYTHING past them.

    28. Michael trying to convince this group the treaties are meaningless is like trying to bath a cat, you will end up with a million cuts and the cat will still be dirty in the end….. THey don’t understand or care what reality is they just want to hate and believe in the lost cause they represent…

    29. Michael trying to convince this group the treaties are meaningless is like trying to bath a cat, you will end up with a million cuts and the cat will still be dirty in the end….. THey don’t understand or care what reality is they just want to hate and believe in the lost cause they represent…

    30. Nothing and I repeat nothing overrides The Constitution. I agree with you Yeeheecom a bunch od idiots are running this country but trying to also run it in the ground.

    31. Well as far as government authority nothing trumps the US Constitution but the founding document of the US- The Declaration of Independence Trumps the US Constitution.
      The US Constitution binds the government not the people.
      Consent of the governed is required.
      Its possible sometimes that the federal government would be acting constitutionally but the federal law or regulation still could be unjust or it could just be stupid.
      That is why juries can even veto A Constitutional law if doing so would prevent the government from unjustly taking the defendants life, liberty or property.
      A grand jury can even refuse to give the government permission to try the defendent.

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    33. Yes, we really do have a bunch of idiots running this country. “Duel” personifies their thinking. Is it any wonder America is in deep trouble?

  2. If mr fast and furious tries going down this road, and moves against American citizens and the Constitution in favor of foreign countries, obama will have the manufactured “crisis” he so craves. The senate has already made it clear they will not sign off on this obamanation of a treaty and neither will the house.

  3. It comes down to the simple law of agency: No agent can acquire power not delegated from his principal by his own action or by agreement with a third party. If he could it could only be as an agent of that third party, and if that conflicts with his primary agency then he loses that agency. All else follows.

    1. GOOD! Isn’t it a shame that our nation actually has fear from what is going on. I had hoped I would never live to see the day

  4. i really don’t give a damn what the DOJ says when they try overriding our Constitution. They are wrong and had better be careful throwing their weight around, The American people have had enough of these little hitlers who think they own this country.

    1. Yeah – a bunch of employees lie, cheat, and steal while committing fraud and NOT ONE has lost their job. Just goes to show people what they think of “We The People.”

    2. Run the filthy leech U.N. out of the USA..They are our real enemy along with their puppets they have in Washington…Time to march

  5. The United States Constitution is the only law of this Nation. Just because there is a political agenda for the New World Order and take over of our country by members in both parties doesn’t make it so. The United Nations has no say over this country only we the people have the say. Those in charge at the moment do not represent this Nation, it’s citizens or the Constitution and need be removed from their positions for failure to uphold our Constitution they were sworn to uphold. Elections are coming, we should all speak out and demand for the removal of these who misrepresent our nation for their own misguided, reckless, and irresponsible agendas.

    1. Patricia
      Great comment!
      YES we need to REMOVE all that are part of the nwo and this incumbents of BOTH “parties”
      TIME HAS COME TO BREAK ALL TIES TO THE DEMS AND REPUBS!

    2. That is true, the career politicians in both parties have directed us down this path. Where we trusted that our representation would uphold our Constitution they have in fact ignored it and need be held accountable and responsible for where we are today. I do not consider them valid leadership. It is time to utilize that which our Constitution has provided for this very situation.

    3. Cicero said:

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. BUT IT CANNOT SURVIVE TREASON FROM WITHIN. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But THE TRAITOR MOVES AMONGST THOSE WITHIN THE GATE FREELY, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of GOVERNMENT itself. FOR THE TRAITOR APPEARS NOT A TRAITOR; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, HE APPEALS TO THE BASENESS THAT LIES DEEP IN THE HEARTS OF ALL MEN. HE ROTS THE SOUL OF A NATION, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A MURDERER IS LESS TO FEAR. THE TRAITOR IS THE PLAGUE.”

      Marcus Tullius Cicero
      (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator
      Source:

      Attributed. 58 BC, Speech in the Roman Senate

    4. Cicero was describing the future. The coming to unquestioned Power, of Caesar Augustus, one of the deadliest dictators. His slaughter of the Senate members not ‘on his page’, was historic.His military followed His every decree. Caesar ‘Augustus’ was then deemed a ‘god’, unquestioned totalitarian Power was his element.

    5. A description of truth, however, just because Rome fell doesn’t mean the United States must fall. There is no need to repeat that which has already failed. We all need now to stand up and utilize that which our Constitution provided us for this very situation. The people need to continue to unite under the allegiance of the Constitution we will prevail. History of the US proves what the citizens can and will do in the face of disaster. We are all a unique set of individuals and love our country and its freedoms and respect those before us that fought to build it and those who maintained it for generations. It is now up to us to maintain it as it is our duty and responsibility as a citizen to do so.

    6. I had to memorize that speech in Comparitive Political Systems (ComPolySy) in 1980. A required course in Patriotism at the time.

    7. Great definition of the devil who is a spirit that is a liar and murderer from the beginning. ‘Traitor’ is difficult to understand fully however it’s close to being the highest (or lowest in virtue) form of deceit a human being can practice. A tricky liar somewhat like satan in the Garden of Eve. Thanks for the post.

    8. Some republicans are worth voting for. Some (as you say) are not.

      And is there a democrat who doesNOT slavishly obey Pres. O. and never challenge him???

    9. Government of the People, and by the People…God Bless the Constitution, regardless of what the United Nations or the DOJ decides, the Constitution is the law of the (U.S.A.) land, God Bless the Constitution and the Nation of Israel.

    10. I’d suggest that with voter fraud, crooked voting machines and corrupt vote counters, the upcoming elections are a forlorn hope at best.

      As George Washington said “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” Ultimately, the 2nd Amendment is the citizens guarantor of all the others. Those who are unwilling to kill and die to prserve their rights, freedoms and property will inevitably and deservedly lose them. Semper Fi!

    11. You are correct. That is also why a campaign need be started to eliminate electronic voting machines. I have voiced this very same thing. I will continue to do so. It would be in all our best interests if this issue was taken up all across the nation. If all else fails we do have our 2nd amendment.

    1. Margaret,
      I totally agree. That’s a powerful and great and right on statement. I couldn’t have said it better. Thank you. Though I would like to add, I believe most Americans will refuse to participate with their tyranny. I’m one!

    2. Americans have been participating in their tyranny for the past 100 years,care to offer any examples of credible resistance….or any that was successful…..people have been saying “never” for as long as I can remember and things get worse year after year.

    3. What a stupid statement. You folks on the RIGHT are right down idiots. Just listen to yourselves. You are the butt of jokes nationwide.

    4. Who is “the nation”?

      And why should we be controlled by mere “laughter”?

      Not sure of your position here, but I am confident that if your position is well thought out…you can produce logical reasons for it.

    5. Another poacher is in our midst. Duel: You are using one of Saul Alinsky’s tactics of continually ridiculing those of us on the Right. In fact, Saul Alinsky himself, in his classic community-organizing handbook titled “Rules for Radicals,” taught his rule #5 as follows: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates your opponent, which then reacts to your advantage.”

      Read the rest of this Liberty Alliance article here and then deny that you are not using ridicule as a weapon.:

      http://libertyalliance.com/2013/10/please-beware-website-called-national-report/#uCmlZw5bAuZZ2Jaz.99

    6. The only DoDo bird here is you, Ms. Finch. And just like the DoDo bird, you shall go the same way. The DoDo birds were clubbed to death by the millions as you know. Now go preen yourself and chirp a while.

    7. Duel: “There you go again!” Even when your “Alinsky” methodology is identified you can’t stop the innuendos and ridicule.

      It would really be refreshing for at least one liberal to address the issues, rather than attacking conservatives on a personal level. The problem with liberals is that they just cannot do so. They can’t be civil. Out of the need for trying to make their opposition look like fools, they have to stoop to low life name calling.

      I often wonder what the incentive is for liberals to get into these blogs and attempt to disrupt factual information and rational thought. Is the incentive being paid by the Democratic, liberal machine to peruse conservative websites and disrupt rational discussion? Are you doing it because you really believe that America is evil and must be replaced by a communist, One World Government? Do you really believe that the American people are so stupid that some socialist dictator like Obama has to make all of the Peoples decisions for them?

      All you; and other liberals; need to do to receive a semblance of respect from conservatives, is to have a semblance of respect for us. If you are REMOTELY capable of this, you are welcome to plead your case on this forum. If you cannot, it just proves that you are, what I say you are; e.g., a radical follower of Saul Alinsky and his “Rules For Radicals.”

    8. You certainly have stated your opinion and nothing else. I am not here either as a popularity contest or to gain your respect and certainly not to give you any form of respect, for I have none for you. I am here to cram down your throat just how bad you lost the last two elections, feathers and all.

      If you think I have called you names, you have failed to read some of the responses I have received on this site. Take a mirror and stand in front of it and take a good long look at yourself and your party. You will see in it, everything you have said I and all other Liberals are. We are not the party of hate, of obstruction to progress. We are not the party of ignorance of the type that Sara Palin, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock. Here is what you have to look forward to again come 2016….

      They never saw it coming, BOOM!!…..Stinging defeat for GOP…. ‘we never saw it coming”…… They looked like they got hit by a cement truck. I love watching NBC, ABC, CBS, Univsion, Telemundo and Galavision and other outlets’ footage of those people at Romney headquarters in Boston on election night. They first looked perplexed and confused, then as results from state after state started coming in, concern and a little fear hit them, and hard. Then a freakout panic, then they recovered a bit. But for only a minute for a few minutes later a little sobbing started and then as if on cue right out frustration, anger and wailing out loud. They clutching each other, looking at each other with doom and disbelief in their tearful and crying eyes. More confused than ever, they just looked around as if looking for someone to come save them. Finally dispare, unbelievable dispare crawled onto and gripped their faces tight with contortions. Some sat with their faces in their laps other fell to their knees as if praying and crying out loud. Some screamed, NO, NO, NO!!! Some screamed, Oh my god!!, Oh my god!! Hilarious! I tell you, hilarious!!! I still go there to watch, it feels so good. The sports bar I go to plays it now and again just for the fun of it all. In all the pics of this montage there is not one person of colour sadly to say. There is Korean version that you can tell the commentators are doing everything they can to keep from laughing. This is the best part of the election in November of 2012.

    9. It’s ‘Toyko Rose’ again. He just like to stir the pot. he has no other reason to be here, and oh, yeah he hates us all.

    10. Oh, it’s little Ms. dodo bird. You are so right and have I stirred the pot good. I think I gave one fellow a heart attack. See I believe in social change thru the scythe of the Great Grim Reaper. Once those old farts of the RIGHT die off, there is no-one to take their place in any significant numbers. We shall overrun you by numbers alone.

    11. Rant, Rant, Rant. Lie, Lie, Lie. The official tools of totalitarians everywhere.

      And the one who agrees with you, your tag-team partner? the two of you don’t exactly qualify as the major opinion makers on this site.

      In case you have forgotten, look at the banner at the top of this discussion. The Tea Party News is giving you the opportunity to speak out even when you spout venom. Do you think for a minute that a socialist website would allow us to speak or mind on any issue? I think NOT!

    12. If you oppose lies, then why aren’t you opposed to the bare naked claim that the DOJ claims International Treaties Trump the Constitution? Where did the DOJ say that? Show me the quote. You won’t find it in the article because it doesn’t exist. It was a lie fed to you and you just ate it right up without doing any research.

    13. Tweet, tweet, tweet. All you do is tweet Ms. dodo bird and as you do so, you spew the feathers of the crow I have jammed down your throat…

      hey never saw it coming, BOOM!!…..Stinging defeat for GOP…. ‘we never saw it coming”…… They looked like they got hit by a cement truck. I love watching NBC, ABC, CBS, Univsion, Telemundo and Galavision and other outlets’ footage of those people at Romney headquarters in Boston on election night. They first looked perplexed and confused, then as results from state after state started coming in, concern and a little fear hit them, and hard. Then a freakout panic, then they recovered a bit. But for only a minute for a few minutes later a little sobbing started and then as if on cue right out frustration, anger and wailing out loud. They clutching each other, looking at each other with doom and disbelief in their tearful and crying eyes. More confused than ever, they just looked around as if looking for someone to come save them. Finally dispare, unbelievable dispare crawled onto and gripped their faces tight with contortions. Some sat with their faces in their laps other fell to their knees as if praying and crying out loud. Some screamed, NO, NO, NO!!! Some screamed, Oh my god!!, Oh my god!! Hilarious! I tell you, hilarious!!! I still go there to watch, it feels so good. The sports bar I go to plays it now and again just for the fun of it all. In all the pics of this montage there is not one person of colour sadly to say. There is Korean version that you can tell the commentators are doing everything they can to keep from laughing. Feed on that you dead and decaying bird.

    14. aha – someone is a little po’d. I’m surprised that you didn’t mention that all Latino’s hate “us” southerners and other party people. Oh, my, you’re slipping. sheep

    15. The fact you have mentioned the Latino issue is profound. Not only are you thinking of it by just the site of my name, but you can count that many here are thinking the same way. And yes, we as Latinos consider you the enemy as you know.

    16. The fact you have mentioned the Latino issue is profound. Not only are you thinking of it by just the site of my name, but you can count that many here are thinking the same way. And yes, we as Latinos consider you the enemy as you know.

    17. OU KEEP SOME THINGS OVER AND OVER – your are a broken record. The reason some were so blatantly shocked where the people that realized that for there to not be even one republican vote in some of the counting that came in on polls was an impossibility. No one one on the left recognized that – voter fraud.

    18. Funny, you complain about attacks on the person, not the ideology, then you off on some foaming-at-the-mouth rant about Obama. Here’s a on-topic comment: the author of this article lied. The DOJ has not claimed that treaties trump the Constitution. The DOJ is arguing that Congress has the power to criminalize conduct when both houses pass legislation that the President signs. That is what was done here. The US signed a treaty, the Senate ratified the treaty, both houses then passed bills to implement the treaty, the President signed the implementation legislation. That’s called democracy in action. Read the Constitution some time.

    19. James: Are you “Duels” Brother? The two of you are like a tag-team in a pro wrestling match.

      You tell me that I express “some foaming-at-the-mouth rant about Obama.” As far as I can tell in the post above I mentioned his name ONCE! My comment hardly qualifies as a “Raving foaming at the mouth rant.” You tell me to read the constitution and talk about democracy in action in the previous sentence .I have spent a number of years studying the constitution.

      The Founders designed the constitution as a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. Democracies are the most corruptible forms of government ever used to operate a government. Democracies almost always deteriorate into anarchy first and then into totalitarian rule. This is why the left is always promoting democracy. All of the heroes of the left including Wilson, and FDR, have championed the transition of our Republic into a democratic framework through the amending process. Democratization of the constitution destroys the separation of powers and the constitution’s system of checks and balances.

      I am not going to take the time to explain this. You already know this is a fact. But there is one thing that is reasonably certain. Your response will deny this factual statement. It is the method liberals use to destroy the truth. The tactic is straight from the rules of the man who “Duel” has told me not to mention. You know who, I don’t have to identify him.

    20. Three quick points. 1) I notice you didn’t respond to any substantive point I raised. 2) You mentioned Obama once, but the bulk of your drivel was a complaint about him. 3) Republic means any form of government other than a heredical monarchy. Democracy means rule by the people, and that was the word the founders used discussing the style of government the US would have, with the noted exclusion of Madison. (Read the federalist papers, Madison was the aberration. All the other notable founders called the USA a democracy.) You seemingly have confused the fact that because the US is not a direct (or pure) democracy that it is not a democracy at all. In fact, the US does have rule by the people, in the form of representation. It is a representative democracy. Google it. Learn something besides what the right-wing feeds you. Now, any chance you’ll enlighten us about your silly notion that states may legalize slavery, should they so desire?

    21. The Framing Convention’s records prove that by decrying the “excesses of democracy” The Framers were, of course, not opposing a popular type of government for the United States; their whole aim and effort was to create a sound system of this type. To contend to the contrary is to falsify history. Such a falsification not only maligns the high purpose and good character of The Framers but belittles the spirit of the truly Free Man in America–the people at large of that period–who happily accepted and lived with gratification under the Constitution as their own fundamental law and under the Republic which it created, especially because they felt confident for the first time of the security of their liberties thereby protected against abuse by all possible violators, including The Majority momentarily in control of government. The truth is that The Framers, by their protests against the “excesses of democracy,” were merely making clear their sound reasons for preferring a Republic as the proper form of government. They well knew, in light of history, that nothing but a Republic can provide the best safeguards–in truth in the long run the only effective safeguards (if enforced in practice)–for the people’s liberties which are inescapably victimized by Democracy’s form and system of unlimited Government-over-Man featuring The Majority Omnipotent. They also knew that the American people would not consent to any form of government but that of a Republic. It is of special interest to note that Jefferson, who had been in Paris as the American Minister for several years, wrote Madison from there in March 1789 that:

      “The tyranny of the legislatures is the most formidable dread at present, and will be for long years. That of the executive will come it’s turn, but it will be at a remote period.” (Text per original.)

      Somewhat earlier, Madison had written Jefferson about violation of the Bill of Rights by State legislatures, stating:

      “Repeated violations of those parchment barriers have been committed by overbearing majorities in every State. In Virginia I have seen the bill of rights violated in every instance where it has been opposed to a popular current.”

      These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority.

      The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority.

      In both the Direct type and the Representative type of Democracy, The Majority’s power is absolute and unlimited; its decisions are unappealable under the legal system established to give effect to this form of government. This opens the door to unlimited Tyranny-by-Majority. This was what The Framers of the United States Constitution meant in 1787, in debates in the Federal (framing) Convention, when they condemned the “excesses of democracy” and abuses under any Democracy of the unalienable rights of The Individual by The Majority. Examples were provided in the immediate post-1776 years by the legislatures of some of the States. In reaction against earlier royal tyranny, which had been exercised through oppressions by royal governors and judges of the new State governments, while the legislatures acted as if they were virtually omnipotent. There were no effective State Constitutions to limit the legislatures because most State governments were operating under mere Acts of their respective legislatures which were mislabelled “Constitutions.” Neither the governors not the courts of the offending States were able to exercise any substantial and effective restraining influence upon the legislatures in defense of The Individual’s unalienable rights, when violated by legislative infringements. (Connecticut and Rhode Island continued under their old Charters for many years.) It was not until 1780 that the first genuine Republic through constitutionally limited government, was adopted by Massachusetts–next New Hampshire in 1784, other States later.

      It was in this connection that Jefferson, in his “Notes On The State of Virginia” written in 1781-1782, protected against such excesses by the Virginia Legislature in the years following the Declaration of Independence, saying: “An elective despotism was not the government we fought for . . .” (Emphasis Jefferson’s.) He also denounced the despotic concentration of power in the Virginia Legislature, under the so-called “Constitution”–in reality a mere Act of that body:

      “All the powers of government, legislative, executive, judiciary, result to the legislative body. The concentrating these in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government. It will be no alleviation that these powers will be exercised by a plurality of hands, and not by a single one. 173 despots would surely be as oppressive as one. Let those who doubt it turn their eyes on the republic of Venice.”

      This topic–the danger to the people’s liberties due to the turbulence of democracies and omnipotent, legislative majority–is discussed in The Federalist, for example in numbers 10 and 48 by Madison (in the latter noting Jefferson’s above-quoted comments).

      Read more on An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic at http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html
      by Hamilton Abert Long

    22. As I noted in my comment, Madison was the exception among the founding fathers. He believed that a representative democracy should be considered a republic. Everyone else pretty much disagreed. Rather than cut-and-paste from a political hack, why not just look it up in the encyclopedia. Here’s the link: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/157129/democracy/233839/Democracy-or-republic.

      When you get outside the bubble, it’s amazing what you can learn …

    23. Some founding fathers and their friends on our republic.

      “These little republics would be the main strength of the great one. We owe to them the vigor given to our revolution in its commencement in the Eastern States.” (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Tyler

      “We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.” (Alexander Hamilton)

      Between a republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.” (Chief Justice John Marshall)

      “It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.” (Alexander Hamilton, speech urging ratification of the Constitution in New York June 21, 1788.)

      Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)

      “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

      “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

      The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

      McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed.

      “Republican governments could be supported only by pure Religion or Austere Morals. Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” (John Adams, 1775.)

      “The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority…” (Lord Acton)

      “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (Lord Woodhouselee Alexander Fraser Tytler)

      “Divide the counties into wards of such size as that every citizen can attend, when called on, and act in person. Ascribe to them the government of their wards in all things relating to themselves exclusively. A justice chosen by themselves, in each a constable, a military company, a patrol, a school, the care of their own poor, their own portion of the public roads, the choice of one or more jurors to serve in some court, and the delivery within their own wards of their own votes for all elective officers of higher sphere, will relieve the county administration of nearly all its business, will have it better done, and by making every citizen an acting member of the government, and in the offices nearest and most interesting to him, will attach him by his strongest feelings to the independence of his country and its republican Constitution.” (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Samuel Kercheval

      This Constitution, as to the powers therein granted, is constantly to be the supreme law of the land.… It is not the supreme law in the exercise of a power not granted.” (William Davie, Pennsylvania,

      Some founding fathers and their friends on our republic.

      “These little republics would be the main strength of the great one. We owe to them the vigor given to our revolution in its commencement in the Eastern States.” (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Tyler

      “We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.” (Alexander Hamilton)

      Between a republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.” (Chief Justice John Marshall)

      “It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.” (Alexander Hamilton, speech urging ratification of the Constitution in New York June 21, 1788.)

      Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)

      “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

      “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

      The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

      McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed.

      “Republican governments could be supported only by pure Religion or Austere Morals. Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” (John Adams, 1775.)

      “The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority…” (Lord Acton)

      “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (Lord Woodhouselee Alexander Fraser Tytler)

      “Divide the counties into wards of such size as that every citizen can attend, when called on, and act in person. Ascribe to them the government of their wards in all things relating to themselves exclusively. A justice chosen by themselves, in each a constable, a military company, a patrol, a school, the care of their own poor, their own portion of the public roads, the choice of one or more jurors to serve in some court, and the delivery within their own wards of their own votes for all elective officers of higher sphere, will relieve the county administration of nearly all its business, will have it better done, and by making every citizen an acting member of the government, and in the offices nearest and most interesting to him, will attach him by his strongest feelings to the independence of his country and its republican Constitution.” (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Samuel Kercheval

      This Constitution, as to the powers therein granted, is constantly to be the supreme law of the land.… It is not the supreme law in the exercise of a power not granted.” (William Davie, Pennsylvania,

      NUFF SAID CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR LITTLE SOCIALIST BUBBLE AND READ YOUR ENCYCLOPEDIA !!!

    24. No, not enough said. You have a few quotes, including some talking about democracy in England and the movement to stifle it, but you haven’t gasped the basic fact that those comments are about pure or direct democracies. Democracy means “rule by the people.” A representative democracy is indeed a democracy.

      Even among his contemporaries, Madison’s refusal to apply the term democracy to representative governments, even those based on broad electorates, was aberrant. In November 1787, only two months after the convention had adjourned, James Wilson, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, proposed a new classification. “[T]he three species of governments,” he wrote, “are the monarchical, aristocratical and democratical. In a monarchy, the supreme power is vested in a single person: in an aristocracy … by a body not formed upon the principle of representation, but enjoying their station by descent, or election among themselves, or in right of some personal or territorial qualifications; and lastly, in a democracy, it is inherent in a people, and is exercised by themselves or their representatives.”

      John Marshall, the future chief justice of the Supreme Court, declared that the “Constitution provided for ‘a well regulated democracy’ where no king, or president, could undermine representative government.”

      Jefferson founded the Democratic-Republican party, so in love with the concept of democracy, rule by the people, and the new American experiment in representative governance.

      When you deny America is a democracy you not only signal that you aren’t well educated, you also dismiss and pervert American history. If you can’t abide by the true America – the one that is most clearly a representative democracy – then you should just leave. You can’t stand America, it’s traditions, it’s values, then go. You won’t be missed.

    25. Well professor, I am educated enough to know we are a republic and you socialist liberals are not going to brow beat me into believing your false POPPYCOCK!!!

      My ancestors were here before the revolution and some fought in the war for independence and a few more wars after that. I staying where I am and if you want me to leave you had better come armed.

      Once again.
      Between a republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.” (Chief Justice John Marshall)

      Socialist thought has several different views on democracy. Social democracy, democratic socialism, and the dictatorship of the proletariat (usually exercised through Soviet democracy) are some examples. Many democratic socialists and social democrats believe in a form of participatory democracy and workplace democracy combined with a representative democracy.

      How often have you refered to America as a Democracy? When was the last time that you heard America referred to as a Republic? There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word “democracy”.

      You are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people’s freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of their life.

      They knew very well the meaning of the word “democracy”, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.

      In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many liberals have lost sight of that fact.

      A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.

      The goal of a Constitutional Republic was to avoid the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy but what exists in America today is a far cry from the Constitutional Republic our forefathers brought forth.

      In contemporary usage, the term democracy refers to a government chosen by the people, whether it is direct or representative. The term republic has many different meanings, but today often refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state, such as a president, serving for a limited term, in contrast to states with a hereditary monarch as a head of state, even if these states also are representative democracies with an elected or appointed head of government such as a prime minister.

      The Founding Fathers of the United States rarely praised and often criticized democracy, which in their time tended to specifically mean direct democracy, often without the protection of a Constitution enshrining basic rights; James Madison argued, especially in The Federalist No. 10, that what distinguished a democracy from a republic was that the former became weaker as it got larger and suffered more violently from the effects of faction, whereas a republic could get stronger as it got larger and combats faction by its very structure.

      What was critical to American values, John Adams insisted, was that the government be “bound by fixed laws, which the people have a voice in making, and a right to defend.” As Benjamin Franklin was exiting after writing the U.S. constitution, a woman asked him “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a republic or a monarchy?”. He replied “A republic—if you can keep it.”

    26. My family came to Block Island RI in 1642. Perhaps our linage connects? But more importantly – you are, of course, wrong as your own post demonstrates. You claim that we are a republic that uses democratic institutions. Well, duh, that is what makes us a democracy. We are a government “by the people.”

      You claim that Justice Marshall hated democracies. Why then did he write the following? At the Virginia ratifying convention some months later, John Marshall, the future chief justice of the Supreme Court, declared that the “Constitution provided for ‘a well regulated democracy’ where no king, or president, could undermine representative government.”

      The answer is simple. The founding fathers were critical of a pure democracy, not of a representative democracy, which is why the gave us a representative democracy that has withstood more than 225 years. You fail to grasp the basic etymology of the words you use. A republic, by definition, is any form of government other than a heridical monarchy. A democracy is a form of government “by the people.” A representative democracy is a form of government that is by the people through their representatives. All democracies are republics. Not all republics are democracies. (Compare: the Republic of Iran – does it respect the rights of an individual, it being a republic and all.)

      What I find troubling, as an American, is your irrepressible impulse to reject anything or anyone that does not support your view as being a socialist. Just like the words republic and democracy, that word too has a definition, and you seemingly don’t know what it is. I gave you a link to a non-partisan encyclopedia entry, written by scholars with no agenda, no political party they are trying to support or attack. It really would clear up your misconceptions for you, if only you would allow yourself to read something outside your bubble.

      You do yourself and your country a disservice when you deny the core American values that made this country great.

    27. Article Four of the United States Constitution

      Article Four outlines the relation between the states and the relation between the federal government. In addition, it provides for such matters as admitting new states as well as border changes between the states. For instance, it requires states to give “full faith and credit” to the public acts, records, and court proceedings of the other states. Congress is permitted to regulate the manner in which proof of such acts, records, or proceedings may be admitted. The “privileges and immunities” clause prohibits state governments from discriminating against citizens of other states in favor of resident citizens (e.g., having tougher penalties for residents of Ohio convicted of crimes within Michigan).

      It also establishes extradition between the states, as well as laying down a legal basis for freedom of movement and travel amongst the states. Today, this provision is sometimes taken for granted, especially by citizens who live near state borders; but in the days of the Articles of Confederation, crossing state lines was often a much more arduous and costly process. Article Four also provides for the creation and admission of new states. The Territorial Clause gives Congress the power to make rules for disposing of federal property and governing non-state territories of the United States. Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.
      NUFF SAID.

    28. Wow – you not only fail to understand the etymology of the words you use. You further fail to understand the basic intent of the Constitution. Art IV, Sect 4 guarantees that no state in the Union shall be a monarchy, but that each state shall be entitled to form its own style of governance as a Republic of some style. It does not speak to the form of governance given at the Federal level.

      Given that all democracies are republics, but not all republics are democracies, and given further that all states elected to have representative democracies as their form of governance, it can be fairly stated that all the states have democracies.

      But that doesn’t matter.

      The issue we have been debating is what is the form of the federal government – and that form is clearly a representative democracy. Read the federalist papers. Actually read them. Don’t go hunting for excerpts from far-right wing internet authors who are real scholars. I gave you a neutral scholarly resource. Why are you afraid to read it and learn?

    29. The American Revolution began as a rejection only of the authority of the British Parliament over the colonies, not of the monarchy. The failure of the British monarch to protect the colonies from what they considered the infringement of their rights to representative government, the monarch’s branding of those requesting redress as traitors, and his support for sending combat troops to demonstrate authority resulted in widespread perception of the British monarchy as tyrannical. With the United States Declaration of Independence the leaders of the revolt firmly rejected the monarchy and embraced republicanism. The leaders of the revolution were well versed in the writings of the French liberal thinkers, and also in history of the classical republics. John Adams had notably written a book on republics throughout history. In addition, the widely distributed and popularly read-aloud tract Common Sense, by Thomas Paine, succinctly and eloquently laid out the case for republican ideals and independence to the larger public. The Constitution of the United States, ratified in 1789, created a relatively strong federal republic to replace the relatively weak confederation under the first attempt at a national government with the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union ratified in 1783. The first ten amendments to the Constitution, called the United States Bill of Rights, guaranteed certain natural rights fundamental to republican ideals that justified the Revolution.

      Your lack of comprehenison in reading the constitution and the intent of the founding fathers show that you are ignorant and your falsehoods of our government being a representative democracy show how arrogant your opinions are. American liberals don’t love America. They despise it. All they love is their own fantasy of what America could become. You are a false patriot.

    30. Complete non-sequitur. You seriously want to claim that the United States is not a representative democracy? At long last, that is the ground you want to claim, that 225 years of history and scholarly analysis is all wrong? All democracies are republics, not all republics are democracies. Do you understand that simple bit if logic? A republic is simply not a heridical monarchy. A democracy is rule by the people. We are a representative democracy. We are also technically a republic, but the more precise term, the more narrow and conservative term, is a representative democracy, You would know this if you were any student of history, You are so blindly arrogant that you can’t even be bothered to learn the meaning of the words you use. If you don’t understand the words, how can you ever embrace the freedoms they represent? You are an American in name only.

    31. We are a Constitutional Republic. However, your (secular) college textbooks suggest a Representative Democracy.

      The Founding Fathers used the term “democracy” in two ways—one general, one specific. Sometimes they would use the term “democracy” to describe all forms of self-government. In that sense, the United States is a democracy.

      But, in the more specific sense, democracy means when the people directly make the law. The federal government is not a democracy in that sense. However, the term “representative democracy” is actually a synonym for a republic. This means that the legislators elected by the people make the law. A constitutional republic is where the legislators elected by the people make laws but only as authorized by the Constitution.

      So the most accurate description of the federal government as designed by the Constitution is a constitutional republic.

      At the state level, it is different. There is a mix of a constitutional republic and a democracy. Whenever people vote on ballot issues they are acting as a pure democracy. The rest of the time they are acting as a constitutional republic.

      Now, all of this is how it is designed on paper. In actual practice, we are living in a mixed republic, oligarchy, and dictatorship. When Congress makes laws authorized by the Constitution, it is a constitutional republic. When Congress exceeds the Constitution and passes laws anyway, it is a tyrannical republic. When the Supreme Court makes laws it is an oligarchy. When Obama makes laws by executive order it is a dictatorship.
      Michael P. Farris

      Michael Farris is the chancellor of Patrick Henry College and chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association. He was the founding president of each organization.

      Farris is a constitutional appellate litigator who has served as lead counsel in the United States Supreme Court, eight federal circuit courts, and the appellate courts of 13 states.

    32. Mr, Farris has the distinction of graduating from a crappy college, then a crappier law school and then an even crappier LLM program — and then he “founded” a school that can’t even get accredited.

      Yes the “secular” scholars will tell you that the USA is a representative democracy — because it is. The parochial scholars at Notre Dame teach the same thing – because it is.

      Here’s how you know Farris is wrong: he claims that “representative democracy is actually a synonym for a republic.” It is not! Republic means anything other than a monarchy. Representative Democracy means governance by the people through their representatives.

      Get outside the bubble! These words exist in the dictionary. No partisanship, no agenda, no “secular” bias. The same is true for the Encyclopedia Britannica. This isn’t about left v. right. This is just good ol’ fashioned history and etymology.

      Why is the far right so fascinated with denying the United States government is democratic (small “D”)? What is this fetish that only the far-right has an interest in naming the United States exclusively a republic? All democracies are republics, not all republics are democracies. Do you understand how that works?

    33. Please read the following, it reflects the overwhelming scholarly consensus regarding Art IV, Sec 4. http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-4

      “This provision, known as the guarantee clause, is attributed to James Madison. It has not been widely interpreted, but scholars think it ensures that each state be run as a representative democracy, as opposed to a monarchy (run by a king or queen) or a dictatorship (where one individual or group of individuals controls the government). Courts however have been reluctant to specify what exactly a republican form of government means, leaving that decision exclusively to Congress.”

      Again, Madison was the aberration among his peers who always referred to a representative democracy as a “Republic,” whereas his contemporaries used Republic and Democracy interchangeably. All were joined in their dislike of “pure democracies,” which is why they gave us a representative democracy.

    34. Please read the following, it reflects the overwhelming scholarly consensus regarding Art IV, Sec 4. http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/page/article-iv-section-4

      “This provision, known as the guarantee clause, is attributed to James Madison. It has not been widely interpreted, but scholars think it ensures that each state be run as a representative democracy, as opposed to a monarchy (run by a king or queen) or a dictatorship (where one individual or group of individuals controls the government). Courts however have been reluctant to specify what exactly a republican form of government means, leaving that decision exclusively to Congress.”

      Again, Madison was the aberration among his peers who always referred to a representative democracy as a “Republic,” whereas his contemporaries used Republic and Democracy interchangeably. All were joined in their dislike of “pure democracies,” which is why they gave us a representative democracy.

    35. POPPYCOCK!!! Who cares about your liberal socialist scholars and their opinions Opinions are like a$$holes and everyone has one.

    36. Look at how desperate you are. When confronted with the facts and with the interpretations of fact from learned men you retreat to the safe harbor of insults and libel. Sounds like a Saul Alinsky tactic to me. These aren’t liberals, these aren’t socialists. These are unbiased historians and scholars. Why do you fear knowledge?

    37. Look ! you have overlook the facts that I sent you.
      You have not proved one of them to be wrong,
      Are you and your scholars saying the constitution is wrong? Show me where in the Constitution of the United States or the Declaration of Independence is the mention your representative democracy. Until then ,you and your scholars liberal opinions are just empty theories.

      For those of us who love individual liberty, free-markets and limited government, we are, burdened, with more news of the march toward socialism and the destruction of the principles of constitutionalism. The principles, upon which this nation were founded, are being discarded for the failed elitist theories of socialism.

      “ In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

    38. By your own logic, where in the Constitution does it say the United States is a Republic? Art IV, sect 4 speaks of the states, so you can’t avail yourself to that. You seemingly dislike the facts that the Constitution is open to interpretation and that like all GREAT documents must be examined in context of the time it was written and the original intent of the authors.

      I’m not afraid of being proven wrong – I embrace it. I sincerely love learning and growing intellectually. So, help me out. Prove to me that the United States is not a representative democracy by (1) defining what one is and then (2) demonstrating that the US is not one.

      Should be really easy, no?

    39. Why are you so afraid of scholars and historians? That they disagree with you, and that they have dedicated their lives to understanding these issues and researching the events, should inform you that you’re not fully informed. Why does everyone who disagrees with you must thereby be a liberal or a socialist? My penultimate question is: why is so very important to you that the USA not be considered a representative democracy? Finally, using counter-factual argument, demonstrate to me that the United States is not a representative democracy. Define what a representative democracy is, then use counter factuals to prove the USA is not one. (Warning: when you do this exercise, you’ll end up realizing that you’ve been wrong on this issue.)

      Republics are any form of government not a monarchy. All democracies (pure or representative) are republics. Not all republics are democracy and not all republics respect individual rights. (CF: Republic of Iran.)

    40. Great post, but no pro-Americanist post is ever good enough for Socialist Extremists. Just like Obama, “It is their way or the highway.” Never give an inch, even if the facts of the opposition are accurate and one-hundred percent correct. The only fight that can be won with these haters of of our Constitutional Republic is an all-out physical battle.

      Eventually one side or the other is going to be eliminated and I will do everything possible that “the ‘enemy’” dies for his cause.

    41. It’s not a great post when it is fundamentally flawed and brags about refusing to review scholarly works. You decry that liberals don’t give an inch — where is yours? Iran is a Republic, do you equate the USA with it? Are our forms of government the same? The USA is a representative democracy, and no measure of deliberate revisionist lies will change that fact. More curiously, what agenda do you serve when you deny that America enjoys government “by the people?”

    42. Jim: You are good at the art of argument. But the fact is your argument is based on comparisons that do not relate. How can anyone possible compare the “Republic” of Iran with the Constitutional Republic of the Founders? Also your claim saying I do not support the constitution of the United States is absurd.

      I know you have at least skimmed over what me and others have written on the subject and your evaluation of our writings is twisted and distorted. Here is brief from “The Harvard Law Review” regarding the superiority of International Treaties Superseding the constitution.

      http://www.harvardlawreview.org/media/pdf/vazquez.pdf

    43. Of course the comparison of Republic of Iran and the USA is absurd, that was the point. A republic is any form of government that is not a heridical monarchy. A democracy is a subset set of republic that has government “by the people.” A direct or pure democracy is what the founding father railed against. With the noted exception of Madison, the founding fathers used republic and democracy interchangeably when discussing the new American experiment in representative governance. Indeed, Justice Marshall is quoted in this thread at times saying “republic” and at other times “democracy.” Why? Because the words were interchangeable at the time this great nation was founded. Yes, in a large sense, we are a republic, as we are not a monarchy. However, we are more precisely a representative democracy. Democracy, governance by the people, is a core tradition and value for Americans. When people write that our founding fathers hated democracy is to pervert their noble intent and amazing sacrifice.

      Thank you for the HLR article. That, however, is not the DOJ position, which is what this thread is about.

    44. I am researching for the documentation on the DOJ position. Official sources will take time to find because they would want to bury it in their own website.

      The HLR article does give reference to such a position’s existence. I will continue to look. If I cannot find it, or my research proves it not to exist, I will admit that it isn’t factual. And I liked your response.

    45. Jim: Yes, I finally tracked the US Supreme Court document as well. It is a crazy case. You just can’t make this stuff up! I am going to peruse the UN website on the subject of International Treaties overriding the existing laws of sovereign nations.
      It seems as though the UN power brokers wouldn’t spend billions of $ promoting treaties if they didn’t have some supposition that they superseded the sovereignty of independent Nations.

    46. BTW: if you’re going to quote someone, especially a founding father, at least make sure it’s a real quote. Jefferson’s entire collection of quotes is available online at the Monticello Project and your “little republics” quote isn’t in the database. The tip-off should have been the line “Eastern States.” They were all Eastern States as there were no Western ones. You either got it wrong or you repeated a lie. Which is it?

    47. Here’s the real Hamilton quote: “We are now forming a republican government. Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.” The extremes of democracy refers to a pure democracy. Hamilton was advocating a representative democracy. All democracies are republics, not all republics are democracies.

    48. Here’s a factual question: where did the DOJ claim that International Treaties Trump the Constitution? I’ve read the case briefs, it’s not in those. So, where is it? Where is the factual discussion that you claim warrants respect?

    49. Duel,
      Your ignorance is stunning, but you are to blind to see it. Ignorance by choice is a terrible thing. It’s Dodo bird, not DoDo bird! And they became extinct over time, because they lost their ability to fly. They stopped flying because food was available to them w/o the need to leave the ground, and they had no predators to fly away from. When man came along, they were easy prey! There is a huge life lesson in this story, but I doubt you are bright enough to figure it out. Having read some of your posts it is clear you must have lessons and ideas spoon fed to you, by liberals only.

    50. You failed to catch the pun, Gordon. You have also failed to read the full extent of my exchanges with Ms. Finch and her pail full of crap. Try again.

    51. What an asinine posting. Wish you had been with me when I was flying missions over Germany during WWII. I might (but I doubt it) have given you a parachute before I dumped you out over Berlin.

    52. Are you saying now that it was the RIGHT that administrated and won WWII. You’re delusional. It was the LEFT that led the way to fight the Nazis and the Japanese. The RIGHT advocated neutrality when the LEFT advocated joining England. Had it not been for the Japanese attack in Pearl Harbor, the swastika would be flying over London in the middle of the British flag. We won that war no thanks to the RIGHT in this country. The RIGHT would have let Britain fall into the hands of the Nazis. Thank goodness for FDR.

    53. The left of that time is not the left of today,we have fought communism,socialism,facism over the decades on the notion of not allowing it to happen here….well now it’s here anyway…so the left of the 40′s and 50′s failed

    54. And we have rejected the RIGHT of that same period, most recently by a person that personifies everything the RIGHT is not….. Barack Obama.

    55. Here is a letter to “your” Scumbag president!

      Read this Dumbass duel !

      AMAZING LETTER FROM A Texas Woman! PLEASE READ HER VIRAL Un-Thank You Note that Blasts Obama, Calling Him, “A Very Selfish and Cold-Hearted Man”

      Dear President Obama,
      I wanted to take a moment to say thank you for all you have done and are doing. You see, I am a single Mom located in the very small town of Palmer, Texas.

      I live in a small rental house with my two children. I drive an older car that I pray daily runs just a little longer. I work at a mediocre job bringing home a much lower paycheck than you or your wife could even imagine living on. I have a lot of concerns about the new “Obamacare” along with the taxes being forced on us Americans and debts your are adding to our country. I have a few questions for you Mr. President.

      Have you ever struggled to pay your bills? I have.

      Have you ever sat and watched your children eat and you eat what was left on their plates when they were done, because there wasn’t enough for you to eat to? I have.

      Have you ever had to rob Peter to pay Paul, and it still not be enough? I have.

      Have you ever been so sick that you needed to see a doctor and get medicine, but had no health insurance because it was to expensive? I have.

      Have you ever had to tell your children no, when they asked for something they needed? I have.

      Have you ever patched holes in pants, glued shoes, replaced zippers, because it was cheaper than buying new? I have.

      Have you ever had to put an item or two back at the grocery store, because you didn’t have enough money? I have.

      Have you ever cried yourself to sleep, because you had no clue how you were going to make ends meet? I have.

      My questions could go on and on. I don’t believe you have a clue what Americans are actually going through and honestly, I don’t believe you care. Not everyone lives extravagantly. While your family takes expensive trips that cost more than most of us make in two-four years, there are so many of us that suffer. Yet, you are doing all you can to add to the suffering. I think you are a very selfish and cold hearted man, who does not care what is best for the people he was elected by (not by me) to represent, but more so out for the glory of your name attached to history.

      So thank you Mr. President, thank you for pushing those of us that are barely staying afloat completely under water and driving America into the ground. You have made your mark in history, as the absolute worst and most hated president of the United States. God have mercy on your soul!

      Sincerely,
      Yolanda Vestal

    56. You are not worthy for me to read anything you say or post. You sent information from the Heritage Foundation and that says it all. Good riddance.

    57. The truth must hurt! So, what your saying is that the information from the Heritage Foundation is not credible? HAHAHA!!! NIETHER IS YOUR SCUMBAG PRESIDENT!!!! Your just a typical follower and nothing more! the only one that will be leaving is you! Keep trying to build up your fraudulent president into something he is not. the more you do this, the more you look like a dumbass! And as far as editing my posts? why? you can’t understand what I am saying???? Yep! you are a dumbass!!!!

    58. By commenting on your writing, I am only making an attempt to declare your ignorance in how you express yourself. Like it or not. Barack Obama, whether you voted for him or not is YOUR president too. Sorry, you would have to give up your citizenship for Barack Obama no longer be your president, dumbass. By the way, Barack Obama was elected by 34% more electoral votes than Mitt Romney. The Heritage Foundation has no such recognition. Get lost BirdBrain.

    59. Dale: If I had been flying with you, and duel had been part of the crew, I would have helped you jettison him from the airplane!

    60. What an asinine posting. Wish you had been with me when I was flying missions over Germany during WWII. I might (but I doubt it) have given you a parachute before I dumped you out over Berlin.

    61. ‘Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of chit by it’s clean end.

    62. You are spinning so much that you have lost track of what you have said. I see you are another sack that has failed to read my full extent of my posts on this site. You would never have said I was a Black man. You are weak and spineless. You seek appeasement and accommodation. I am not here to appease or accommodate, you lost and confused soul. I am your enemy and you are mine. Be assured that is the message we are broadcasting loud and clear on Spanish language print and broadcasts. We are teaching that to our children, for they will be the majority one day. And it will be a day you will not like, nor will your children.

    63. Thanks for the link to the article. Good read. Unfortunately people like Duel will never educate themselves by reading! They just parrot what they see and hear on their liberal stations. Also there are too many big words that he would have to look up, like malevolently and Machiavellian. Keep up the posts!

    64. You do realize that the article is wildly wrong, don’t you. The DOJ has not made any claim that International Treaties trump the Constitution. Read the briefs, they’re available on line. The DOJ is arguing that the federal government has the right to criminalize certain conduct, including the use of chemical weapons in the commission of an assault. This woman is not being prosecuted for violating a treaty, she is charged with violating a law that both houses of Congress passed and the President signed. Everything else is a smokescreen designed to make your blood boil and get you to send more money to the extreme right wing of the GOP.

    65. Most people on the left don’t know who Saul Alinsky is, much less his poorly reviewed and infrequently purchased writings. What we do know about Alinsky is that whenever his name is evoked, you pretty much can bet the evoker is a right-wing loon of the tin-foil hat variety. You do yourself no favors when you rant about Alinsky, using it as a crutch to dispel arguments you otherwise can not rebut. Think on your own, don’t mindlessly repeat the catch-phrases of others. This great nation of ours needs robust debate, not sloganeering.

    66. The people on the left seemingly have read the Constitution, specifically Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 and they know enough to read the DOJ briefs in this case, thereby learning that this whole “DOJ claims International Treaties Trump Constitution” is absolute folderol. It’s a lie. A hoax. A bit of tin-foil mendacity designed to make you experience fear and hate. Did it work? Did the lie you into a state of anger. Here’s how you get back at them: do independant research. read, and then read some more — and not just from inside the bubble. Challenge yourself. This lie about the DOJ is an easy one to disprove, yet you fell for it. You’ve got work to do.

    67. Most people on the left don’t know who Saul Alinsky is, much less his poorly reviewed and infrequently purchased writings. What we do know about Alinsky is that whenever his name is evoked, you pretty much can bet the evoker is a right-wing loon of the tin-foil hat variety. You do yourself no favors when you rant about Alinsky, using it as a crutch to dispel arguments you otherwise can not rebut. Think on your own, don’t mindlessly repeat the catch-phrases of others. This great nation of ours needs robust debate, not sloganeering.

    68. Oh, it’s you again Patriot. Funny how someone could be a patriot to some folks and a terrorist to others. I would call you a terrorist, seditionist and insurrectionist. It was you that called for the assassination of President Barack Obama and his family not long ago. You like many people here have become a national security threat to our New America. Don’t think it went unnoticed.

    69. It is with your part of the GOP that I have my personal penchants for. Be assured you get special treatment from me and others to let you know, just how much of threat to our New America you are. You have been left behind and that is where you shall stay.

    70. Your fixation on Alinsky is not something I want to entertain. Like I said we don’t agree with anything. You remain the enemy.

    71. Hillary, Obama And
      The Cult Of Alinsky
      By Richard Poe
      1-13-8 Most Americansnever heard of Saul Alinsky. Yet his shadow darkens our coming election. Democrat frontrunners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both worship at the altar of Alinskyism .
      In a 1971 book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky scolded the Sixties Left for scaring off potential converts in Middle America. True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within.
      Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.
      In his native Chicago, Alinsky courted power wherever he found it. His alliance with prominent Catholic clerics, such as Bishop Bernard Sheil, gave him respectability. His friendship with crime bosses such as Frank Nitti – Al Capone’s second-in-command – gave Alinsky clout on the street.
      In our book The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Sixties Radicals Siezed Control of the Democratic Party, my co-author David Horowitz and I trace the rise of Alinsky’s political influence since the 1930s.
      He excelled at wooing wealthy funders. Start-up money for his Industrial Areas Foundation – a training school for radical organizers – came from department-store mogul Marshall Field III, Sears Roebuck heiress Adele Rosenwald Levy, and Gardiner Howland Shaw, an assistant secretary of state for Franklin Roosevelt.
      Alinsky once boasted, “I feel confident that I could persuade a millionaire on a Friday to subsidize a revolution for Saturday out of which he would make a huge profit on Sunday even though he was certain to be executed on Monday.”
      One Alinsky benefactor was Wall Street investment banker Eugene Meyer, who served as Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1930 to 1933. Meyer and his wife Agnes co-owned The Washington Post. They used their newspaper to promote Alinsky.
      Agnes Meyer personally wrote a six-part series in 1945, praising Alinsky’s work in Chicago slums. Her series, called “The Orderly Revolution”, made Alinsky famous. President Truman ordered 100 reprints of it.
      During the Sixties, Alinsky wielded tremendous power behind the scenes.
      When President Johnson launched his War on Poverty in 1964, Alinsky allies infiltrated the program, steering federal money into Alinsky projects.
      In 1966, Senator Robert Kennedy allied himself with union leader Cesar Chavez, an Alinsky disciple. Chavez had worked ten years for Alinsky, beginning in 1952. Kennedy soon drifted into Alinsky’s circle.
      After race riots shook Rochester, New York, Alinsky descended on the city and began pressuring Eastman-Kodak to hire more blacks . Kennedy supported Alinsky’s shakedown. The two men had an “understanding”, Alinsky later wrote.
      Alinsky’s crowning achievement was his recruitment of a young high school student named Hillary Rodham. She met Alinsky through a radical church group. Hillary wrote an analysis of Alinsky’s methods for her senior thesis at Wellesley College. They remained friends until Alinsky’s death in 1972.
      Alinsky tried to hire Hillary as a community organizer, but she chose instead to attend Yale Law School. Nonetheless, Alinsky’s network continued guiding Hillary’s career.
      Fresh out of law school at age 26, Hillary received a prestigious appointment to the House Judiciary Committee’s Watergate investigative team in 1974. She got the job on the recommendation of Peter and Marian Wright Edelman.
      The Edelmans have been trusted mentors of Hillary since 1969. New Republic editor Martin Peretz called Marian ” Hillary’s closest sister and ideological soulmate”. Marian Wright Edelman also happens to be an Alinskyite, having served on the Board of Trustees of Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation.
      Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.
      Barack Obama is also an Alinskyite. Trained by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked with ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote , both creations of the Alinsky network.
      Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer .
      That Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama share an Alinskyite background tells us two things. First, they are leftists, dedicated to overthrowing our Constitutional system. Second, they will go to any length to conceal their radicalism from the public.
      That is the Alinsky method. And that is today’s Democratic Party.

      Alinsky is the mentor of the leftist Democrats, and is a buddy of Obama. Alinsky is a socialist and leftist, pure and simple. The reason that you won’t claim him is that you don’t want to be identified with him.
      .

    72. You have put Alinsky on trial before the American people now twice and you have failed to achieve your objectives. Do you really think people will listen to that a third time around…. I don’t think so. You will be seen as Chicken Little or the Boy who cried wolf just one too many times. You tried it and it failed. Give it up.

    73. Duel: The only principles radical socialists believe in are lies and subterfuge. You can put the irrefutable facts right under their noses and they will still deny them and try to turn them around for their own advantage. You are fairly good at using the tactic, but your ego destroys your effectiveness. You are not not very good at it.

    74. Duel: The only principles radical socialists believe in are lies and subterfuge. You can put the irrefutable facts right under their noses and they will still deny them and try to turn them around for their own advantage. You are fairly good at using the tactic, but your ego destroys your effectiveness. You are not not very good at it.

    75. And your comments are not opinions of a raving Radical Socialist lunatic? If you believe you are so wonderful, I’ll keep coming back so even people that consider themselves liberal will be converted to our side from you exposing your leftist rhetoric.

    76. People like me are not impressed by those of the extreme RIGHT you belong to. They have much less respect for you because of your religious heresy even to those with a more private and certainly more pious religious belief. Being a Progressive trumps an opinion from someone like you to any person on the LEFT. Unlike you, I belong to a tightly knitted coalition giving religion it’s place as a private and personal matter.

    77. People like me are not impressed by those of the extreme RIGHT you belong to. They have much less respect for you because of your religious heresy even to those with a more private and certainly more pious religious belief. Being a Progressive trumps an opinion from someone like you to any person on the LEFT. Unlike you, I belong to a tightly knitted coalition giving religion it’s place as a private and personal matter.

    78. First of all, your closing statement shows this is strictly an opinion piece, nothing more, or more correctly Poe’s conclusions and opinions. Secondly, this is all public knowledge, what exactly are you trying to convince me of? Your truths are not my truths, it is that simple.

    79. First of all, your closing statement shows this is strictly an opinion piece, nothing more, or more correctly Poe’s conclusions and opinions. Secondly, this is all public knowledge, what exactly are you trying to convince me of? Your truths are not my truths, it is that simple.

    80. Duel: Isn’t this statement just as much a call for violence against conservatives, as the claim you make about conservatives call for violence against our Dictator and Chief? ”

      You tell us to: “Be assured you (will) get special treatment from me and others to let you know, just how much of threat to our New America you are.” Now that is a personal threat to me and every conservative in this Nation.”

      This is not a veiled, tongue-in-cheek threat. It is a direct threat to each and every American who won’t accept the liberal agenda. In the final analysis this attitude will cost you dearly. That is not a “threat,” it is simply a “FACT!”

    81. I am not making a threat, I am giving the ‘Special Treatment’. I am here stuffing crow right down your very throat you sad loser. Yes, you and everyone of you here, I shall say the same thing to. Eat it, and eat it good. You lost to a Black man twice even when the economy was stacked against us you lost. I’ll stuff that crow down your throat until it comes out your pie hole. This is no threat. You are getting it just where you deserve it.

    82. You really are a dumbass! your going to stuff crow down his throat until it comes out of his pie hole?
      I have news for you bright boy, they are the same thing.
      WHAT A FUCKING DUMBASS YOU ARE! and you have the balls to correct others on how they write. BE GONE PARASITE BEFORE YOU GET EXTERMINATED!!!!

    83. You see BirdBrain, when it comes from people like you, there is no difference where gut wind comes from. Aha, that’s right, with the likes of you it is difficult to tell, so it’s all the same. You sure are dense. Had you read the two prior posts, you would have seen the reference to this puny but puckery pun. You just keep trying boy…

    84. I did read it you moron! and you keep saying the same thing. let me “try” to educate you. Pie hole and mouth are the same fucking thing!!!! And your use of the word “boy” we’ll see who’s the boy when I rip you a new one! That is if you have the balls to back up your words!?

    85. Puny brains like your have a real hard time connecting the dots to derive a pun, it’s clear. You called this, so we’ll see.

    86. You see BirdBrain, when it comes from people like you, there is no difference where gut wind comes from. Aha, that’s right, with the likes of you it is difficult to tell, so it’s all the same. You sure are dense. Had you read the two prior posts, you would have seen the reference to this puny but puckery pun. You just keep trying boy…

    87. I am not making a threat, I am giving the ‘Special Treatment’. I am here stuffing crow right down your very throat you sad loser. Yes, you and everyone of you here, I shall say the same thing to. Eat it, and eat it good. You lost to a Black man twice even when the economy was stacked against us you lost. I’ll stuff that crow down your throat until it comes out your pie hole. This is no threat. You are getting it just where you deserve it.

    88. I am not making a threat, I am giving the ‘Special Treatment’. I am here stuffing crow right down your very throat you sad loser. Yes, you and everyone of you here, I shall say the same thing to. Eat it, and eat it good. You lost to a Black man twice even when the economy was stacked against us you lost. I’ll stuff that crow down your throat until it comes out your pie hole. This is no threat. You are getting it just where you deserve it.

    89. Oh, I get noticed alright. I am bombarded with more garbage from the RIGHT. However, I do not declare myself an insurrectionist or one who calls for open armed rebellion against the government as does this organization you belong to. Over and over, people on this site have said as much and a few have even called for the assassination of the President and his family, you patriot soul you.

    90. Nobody is calling for insurrection here, you moron! However, the idea of “your” new America SUCKS, and we will not simply lie down and allow you and your ilk to destroy this country!!! We will resist, WE WILL FIGHT BACK if we have to…………

    91. So who’s going to support you & your friends when all us Tea Baggers are left behind and there is no one to work! Karma is a bitch . . . ..

    92. It most certainly won’t be the South. For the South is strictly a taker region of the country. They are not like California or New York or any other Blue states that give more to the federal treasury than we get back. That is not the case for Red states. They are taker states, not giver states. Where do you think the seeds of great wealth begins? It is not Alabama, or Tennessee, or Louisiana. No it comes from Liberal parts of the country, where the concentration of higher learning institutions exist. There is a correlation you know.

    93. Have you traveled, lived in, observed ‘The South’? Notice anything? Demographics for starters? vast sections of which are perpetually dependency addicted? Other Prosperous, tax Paying areas, including Gated Communities, that are quite Productive? Enclaves of vast differences in culture? If well traveled, obviously you are not cognizant of your visuals, especially associated with the causation.

      Money poured down a bottomless pit, will not assist those at the bottom. Only the resourceful will engineer a way, using the printed money to weave a rope and escape. The complacent, perpetually dependent on others, waiting too long to climb a fast decaying rope, will soon cease to exist. They can’t eat money, especially vastly inflated money, the rapidly approaching state of the massively indebted US printed fiat. (Keep note of Energy and Food costs, both of which are purposely absent from the COLA calculations)

    94. You mentioned the South for a reason. The South is a conservative stronghold and it is completely a taker region. There is little innovation from that part of the country and it has never been know for a base of industrial capacity like the north, the west or the midwest. Take the federal dollar away from the South and it would sink to a third world region.

    95. Do you actually believe the propaganda you ‘report’? You most obviously never travel the Southern States, including Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia….TEXAS. I do…. often. Also I am mentally cognizant to the various ‘cultural’ differences associated with dependency addiction vs, prosperous Productivity.

      Wealth follows the ‘Productive’ sectors, akin to a ‘rare earth’ super magnet, the Productive Culture… how about that…Work for a living? What a concept…. or relax and wait… in abject poverty… for the EBT card to be refilled and the ‘section 8′ to be compensated…for the financial reward of the property ‘owners’ including LLC ‘investors’. I can hardly contain my composure… as I check the ever burgeoning ‘govt enriched’ deposits.

      btw do you really believe that high paid sports figures, Hollywood types and politicians included, have no need for tax attorneys? Politically savvy Tax Attorneys? John Edwards comes to mind as just one example of “do as I say, not as I do” :>)

    96. Are you asking me if I work for a living or if I collect food stamps? Are you trying to make a point about me or to me? Which is it? Tax attorneys exist in Socialist America too. They are needed by many. It is prudent to have a tax strategist to make course for income, taxable or not.

    97. Do you actually believe the propaganda you ‘report’? You most obviously never travel the Southern States, including Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia….TEXAS. I do…. often. Also I am mentally cognizant to the various ‘cultural’ differences associated with dependency addiction vs, prosperous Productivity.

      Wealth follows the ‘Productive’ sectors, akin to a ‘rare earth’ super magnet, the Productive Culture… how about that…Work for a living? What a concept…. or relax and wait… in abject poverty… for the EBT card to be refilled and the ‘section 8′ to be compensated…for the financial reward of the property ‘owners’ including LLC ‘investors’. I can hardly contain my composure… as I check the ever burgeoning ‘govt enriched’ deposits.

      btw do you really believe that high paid sports figures, Hollywood types and politicians included, have no need for tax attorneys? Politically savvy Tax Attorneys? John Edwards comes to mind as just one example of “do as I say, not as I do” :>)

    98. I do not speak as eloquently as you Sir, but I try to use common sense when figuring things out. The way I see it the Liberals caused the degeneration of huge portions of the population in the south and after trying to put the blame on Conservatives, they are now using money generated by Conservatives to ply votes from those they held down with gifts that are gratefully accepted.

    99. Good to know that all those smart money elites will have to pick their own cotton and hoe the potatoes! I’ll just sit on the porch and sip my tea!

    100. That already happened in Georgia. When the undocumented were restricted from renting, many people that own orchards or needed their help bough homes to help keep them around. Not enough however to save the harvests in Georgia and the loss was huge. Maybe you have a son or nephew that will pick fruits and vegetables for a living. Ha!

    101. Good to know that all those smart money elites will have to pick their own cotton and hoe the potatoes! I’ll just sit on the porch and sip my tea!

    102. Good to know that all those smart money elites will have to pick their own cotton and hoe the potatoes! I’ll just sit on the porch and sip my tea!

    103. “A new America” one of perpetual dependency addiction. Depending on a diminishing number of ‘Productive’ citizens? The Great Society of which you admire, eventually resulted in the demonetization of the ‘Traditional Family’, in favor of the Feral, casual ‘associations and their spawn. Spawn with precious few role models or morals. Spawn which endlessly commits the majority of crime related to drug addiction across the nation. Drug addiction subsidized by govt After the invocation of ‘The Great Society’. Any logical connections forming in your synapse junctions?

      The ‘Progressive’ Elitists do realize this unsustainable societal program and demand ever increasing abortion rates to ‘control’ their own manifested system’s Feral birthrate. With only 25% of school children today, living within a Traditional Family (historically the Only sustainable society), the unsustainable future for which you forlornly long, is fast approaching.

    104. Stop your preaching. Keep your faith in your church or your temple, you’re on the via publica for Pete’s sake.

    105. Best advice.. Cover your ears and eyes, shout loudly LA LA LA LA LA and reinsert your head into the sand. One other method is to return to your ‘teachers’. Return to your classroom with Carl Marx 8×10 on the office wall.

      Return to ‘The Allegory of the Cave’ to be refortified, reprogrammed ‘against’ the only historically sustainable society. Profit and loss, Freedom to toil to prosperity, with family, friends, hard working associates including politically savvy financial advisers as backing and support.

      Did I previously mention guidance in ‘investing’, based on totalitarian govt mandated ‘programs’? I suggest you look into govt ‘mandated’ (subsidized) Insurance, as just one profit oriented asset (there are countless). In this man caused financial turmoil, the harvest is plentiful, for those ‘knowing’ the political future :>)

    106. There certainly are profits to be made by in all sectors of government spending. That is nothing new. I still believe in the basics of owing a great company at a fair price than owning a fair company for a great price. Business model and financial aptitude is a must when picking direction. I have been just fine even through the worst BUSH kill of the economy.

    107. As the ‘Valley Girls’ were known to respond to ridiculous assertions, “Gag me with a Spoon”. Bush was a source of prosperity as well. Being in Sales at the time and dependent on foolish ‘sub prime’ buyers being subsidized by the govt mandated ‘Community Re-investment Act’ (Clinton), as I mentioned previously in our exchanges, or have you forgotten? I forget very little and I am a Geezer. That makes it understandable…in your case, being decades younger, I expect more.

      The CRA (created by Carter, magnified into Power under Clinton) was a windfall for record setting sales. Prosperity of unimaginable proportions for those willing to take a ‘conservative’ risk … and know when to get out. Bankrupting the treasury (Fannie/Freddie included) was a predictable result btw. Magnifying of the BK, took a ‘special’ kind of leadership… as noted today.

    108. You are not the only one to make money on the Community Reinvestment Act, nor did all those who took sub prime mortgages fall into the well.

    109. As the ‘Valley Girls’ were known to respond to ridiculous assertions, “Gag me with a Spoon”. Bush was a source of prosperity as well. Being in Sales at the time and dependent on foolish ‘sub prime’ buyers being subsidized by the govt mandated ‘Community Re-investment Act’ (Clinton), as I mentioned previously in our exchanges, or have you forgotten? I forget very little and I am a Geezer. That makes it understandable…in your case, being decades younger, I expect more.

      The CRA (created by Carter, magnified into Power under Clinton) was a windfall for record setting sales. Prosperity of unimaginable proportions for those willing to take a ‘conservative’ risk … and know when to get out. Bankrupting the treasury (Fannie/Freddie included) was a predictable result btw. Magnifying of the BK, took a ‘special’ kind of leadership… as noted today.

    110. CDD, Don’t let this PARASITE get to you. we are the majority and growing stronger everyday! Obummer is destroying our country and more people are waking up to this tyrants actions.

    111. Duel is just a useful idiot, an Obama propaganda tool. Referring to him as a parasite is insulting to parasites!!!

    112. CDD, Don’t let this PARASITE get to you. we are the majority and growing stronger everyday! Obummer is destroying our country and more people are waking up to this tyrants actions.

    113. Duel: Genuine Conservatives never call for the assassination of a sitting President no matter who, or how bad he may be. Conservatives understand that assassination; or an assassination attempt; would bring the wrath of the progressive establishment down on us like a sledgehammer.

      Assassinating Obama would strengthen the grip of those who want to destroy The Founders Constitution. It is the most destructive event that could ever occur. Those who are frustrated with Obama and suggest such a wish for Obama’s elimination are wrong. However their concern for our Nation is understandable.

      AGAIN, no call for assassination is acceptable. Such an action would mean a death sentence for the conservative cause.

    114. You are wrong. I have asked and had full discussion with people on this site who have called on that very thing. You may not agree with them, yet you are a conservative. I certainly don’t agree with them but yet they are among you and don’t say it in any subtle way. They have said it explicitly and that is what comes to the forefront of who you people are. You drape yourselves in the confederate flag and dare to stand at the gates of the White House. It is not a far fetched idea that you would call for the assassination of the President and his family. You were willing to push us over into the abyss financially and you are thought to be capable of anything as diabolical as calling for the assassination of the President and his family. You are among those people.

    115. Duel: I didn’t say that there has never been a call for the assassination of Obama on conservative websites. I said: “Genuine Conservatives never call for the assassination of a sitting President no matter who, or how bad he may be.”

      Genuine followers of the “Original Intent” of the “Founder’s Constitution do not “Drape themselves in the Confederate Flag,” and to protest in front of the White House has always been the tactics of the left, not the right.

      How do you think that conservatives are pushing America over the “financial abyss?” It is the Obama Administration that has pushed borrowing to over $17 Trillion from the $4 Trillion five years ago. Who is it that is calling for an audit of the Federal Reserve? Who is it that want to decrease spending, and who wants to borrow more $ Trillions over the next three years? Who keeps warning “The People” that we have an unfunded liability of over $136 Trillion? Here is a clue. It isn’t the Democrats, it isn’t the Obama Administration, and it isn’t RINO’s that masquerade as Republicans. It is the genuine conservatives that embrace our constitution that are spreading the warning, and have been doing so since I became active in the conservative movement 46 years ago!

      Conservatives do not fear change, we encourage the change in the liberal philosophy of government. We want less government intervention in the lives of “The People,” lower taxes to get our economic engine running again, less governmental rules that force “The People” to abide by Federal Mandates, secure Borders, the protection of America’s sovereignty against tyrannical power, and freedom for all men in our time.

      The ones that fear change are the liberals who refuse to give the constitution the chance to work. If liberals had the courage to reverse the Amendments that gave America the Direct Election of Senators, the Federal Reserve Bank, and the Graduated Income Tax, we would see dramatic change in our economy. Our debt would shrink over a reasonable period of time, we would rebuild our industrial base, have lower taxes, more jobs and a more robust economy. Businesses would have the means to provide employee’s better benefits and better wages, and we wouldn’t need to even discuss Obamacare.

      Exactly what is in this reasoning that is “diabolical?” I would submit that any government that is so large that it takes away our right to choose, succeed, and even fail in our attempt to succeed by our own initiative, is “diabolical,” not our inherent right to life, liberty and property. The pursuit of happiness is up to each individual person. The government can’t do it for us.

      They who call for assassination are NOT conservative defenders of the constitution and the Founder’s principles.Put away the Alinsky handbook and address the reasoning in the debate.

    116. We’ve heard it all before. It failed under Ronald Reagan and we will never go back to that premise. Your numbers of our total long term obligation is questionable and don’t believe it to be a credible source. Send link so that I can take a look at that number more closely.

      I accept that the national debt has gone from 4.82 Trillion before Barack Obama took office but only if you concede that under the Bush administration, the cost of the war was not entered into those values. Nor was the cost of Medicare Part D. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost us 3.4 Trillion dollars so far and the clock keeps ticking. Those are direct costs from the Bush administration. There is another 1.4 Trillion for assistance to those million soldiers coming back from the war, a great many with completely debilitating conditions and those costs keep ticking upward. All this on G.W. Bush’s tab. Medicare Part D 1.1 Trillion dollars added to the top and the TARP of 750 Billion to top the pie. So we have about 5.9 to 6.5 Trillion that are direct costs of the prior administration.

      Then you handed over to Barack Obama an economy that had been eviscerated by policies of the conservative Bush/Cheney administrations. Here is a point of reference as to how bad it was on the day Barack Obama took office.

      Only two presidents in the history of the republic have ever scored a NEGATIVE value in the AVERAGE ANNUAL JOBS CREATION INDEX. Those two presidents were conservative Herbert Hoover and G.W. Bush for both terms. Conversely, only two presidents in the history of the republic have ever entered office with a NEGATIVE value left by the prior administration and those two presidents were FDR and Barack Obama. Don’t lecture me on the failures of the RIGHT, I know them all too well.

    117. H’mm…, turning the facts around. If it isn’t in Alinsky’s handbook, it should be.

      Surprise, Surprise, Here is the entire list of rules, see number twelve for turning the facts on an opponent.

      Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals

      Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

      * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
      * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
      * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
      * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
      * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
      * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
      * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
      * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
      * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
      * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
      * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
      * RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

    118. Funny how you all throw that at me…

      I’ve read them before and am familiar with them. What do you want to know?

    119. Duel: Why shouldn’t we? You continuously use Alinsky’s tactics in every post you write. In regards to “throwing them at you…,” you throw the same old tied liberal rhetoric at everyone that has a conservative point of view.

      If that bothers you, simply treat others the way you want to be treated. In your case, your use of derogatory remarks, profanity and ridicule wont work in this discussion. If you think for one second that you can drive us away from our constitutional right to speak freely and honestly, you are mistaken.

      In some other discussion you will return to use the same tactics using another screen name. The difference between conservatives and liberal socialists is that we use the same screen names in all of our posts. Liberals want to hide in anonymity.

      The difference is the opposing view on the God-given inherent rights of Mankind. The only way one person can try to rob another of their inherent right to agency is to kill them. But even when a tyrant kills an opponent, the opponent still comes out ahead in the next life.

      Being a radical socialist, you are also most likely an atheist. You most likely believe that you will ever be judged for your actions by the Creator. The path you are on is dangerous to where you will end up in the next life. If you believe that violent acts against perceived enemies are justifiable to promote your cause, those acts have to be paid for one way or another.

      I know what you are thinking. It goes something like this:
      “Why bring up your mythical God. Do you think for one minute that your ‘God’ is going to protect you in the ‘New America?’ Give your ‘crap’ a rest and go away.”

      The fact is tat it isn’t “crap,” it is truth as old as the Universe. Many people refuse to accept “Universal Truth,” but it exists in spite of their denials. Duel, You are in denial.

    120. Da Nile, my sour pal is a river in Egypt as you have heard over and over I presume. Don’t you preach to me about your God. Your God is not my God. I don’t hide under any other name. If you think you have seen me under some other username, name it here and now. As you have noticed, I don’t let you or anyone else get on without responding to you in some way. I am ardent in my task to stuff your craw with crow and would find no place in my heart for any mercy for you in any instance, for you remain my enemy. As for the “same old tied rhetoric”, there is nothing more fermented as the fetid call of the RIGHT against the very programs you all use. They are sordid and tired to no end. The policies of the RIGHT are as staid and as old as molded bread and it appeals not a tiny bit to the youth of this country. You are looked upon as old and DECAYING. You are beginning to fart feathers, crow feathers that is. Now get lost if you don’t like what I have to say to you.

    121. I wouldn’t expect anything less from you. Both you and your god; Obama; are made from the same mold. The only difference is the color of the clay used when the potter opened the mold and fired you in the kiln.

    122. It this yet another precept of your heathenistic faith, you silly mormon? Is this how your god has replicated all you mormons, in a kiln? What is the name of the planet you are supposed to believe is like heaven to you mormons. I see you have not made any effort to improve you writing. Keep trying old man.

    123. “You silly socialist.” Nothing is wrong with my writing, except for the fact you don’t like what we/I say.

    124. Yes, there is a problem with it if you are a native born American and did not learn English as a second language. No I don’t like anything you have to say or what anyone else here has to say. i am here to help demoralize you and those of your ilk. I am a socialist, yes.

    125. Ahh but the ‘Progressive’ Left does historically advocate armed deadly rebellion… whenever things do not go in their planned direction. Che ring any bells? Fidel Castro? Mao? Pol Pot?

      This list could get tedious. Is history a weak subject for the Progressive mentality? No longer being taught? Or is it just not conducive to their endlessly dependency addicted agenda?

      Over 260 million souls and counting, are but nano particle notches in the historic record of the ‘Progressive’ mentality. A programmed mentality of Control and Power over the weak proletariat… a proletariat rendered helpless, by initially being disarmed…. in the aggrandized utopian name of Safety.

    126. I don’t support the murderous Che nor do I support the revolution led by Fidel Castro. I equally did not support the Bautista dictator set up by DC upon the Cuban people to meet our economic pleasures. Nor did I support Pinochet Ugarte and all the other host of dictators we supported for so very long. Here are a couple more, Saddam Hussein, The Shaw of Iran, Mubarak of Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan, the Saudi Kingdom, or should I say fiefdom? I too can go on and on. Keeping a dictator in power is not a purview of the LEFT. Don’t be selective in your pointing out the whole of atrocities we have supported worldwide as a nation.

    127. A patriot is one who loves their country and remains loyal to it!
      MY PATRIOTISM IS TO MY COUNTRY, NOT TO THE FUCKING CRIMINALS THAT RUN IT!!!! THAT IS A PATRIOT! Tell us, what country do you come from stool? I mean duel?

    128. Where do you think I come from? One persons loyalty is another persons treachery and treasonous behaviors. You are no patriot of this New America.

    129. Directed at ‘Duel’… Snowden (a minor pawn) is peeling off only the first layer of the onion, revealing to the naive, the ‘system’ of which ‘duel’ describes. ‘The Beast’, from which escape is impossible. The more you type, comments you make, the greater the profile you create. Eventually, as in ‘The gang of Four’ accomplices to Mao, the Piper is granted his due.

    130. What you think no longer matters. You have been asleep and now there is a New America and you have been left behind.

    131. The Obama healthcare fiasco for your new socialist America is just like what Japan begun on Dec 7 1941, all he done is to awaken a sleeping American giant once again.

    132. “all he done is”. Shut the fuck up you ignorant suckup. Get back to your plowing, you have no business in writing anything until you learn to write in the English language. I have some mistakes in my use of English, most likely because English is my third language and learned it as an adult. My cadence might be off but nothing like your expression. This New America started when FDR overwhelmingly defeated the conservative Herbert Hoover who brought us the Great Depression along with his predecessors, the conservatives Harding and Coolidge. That is what you folks want most… the return of the America before FDR. That is never going to happen.

    133. No, because every tactic you use in refuting anyone on this site comes right out of Alinsky’s leftist handbook.

    134. I don’t have to guess about it, you repeat the same tactic every time you write a post. Your lame argument is as disgusting to us as much as you claim our posts are to you.

    135. I am not here for a popularity contest my dear beauty. I am not here to make friends with you, you are my enemy. I don’t give a damn what you think about what I post. if you don’t like it, move along.

    136. And I am not here to make myself popular with people of your ilk. The only purpose I have in discussing the issues is to expose the lies that emanate from your profane mouth,. And the use of profanity by you is a fact, not an opinion. A few responses to your diatribes have elicited some bad language in return, and the use of it was justifiable. But this “Old Fool” will just keep exposing your tactics from your favorite mentor.

    137. People of my ilk are not widely seen on this site, so popularity or not, you would be on the wrong site to do so. About my profanity; I am not here to make friends or ask for your respect in any way for you are my enemy.

    138. Duel: Conservatives like me, are NEVER allowed to comment on liberal web sites. If we do manage to have it displayed fleetingly, any sensible comment is edited out by the Web Master. The respondent is then “tagged” and is banned from the site. It doesn’t make any difference how polite the disagreement is, conservatives get banned for disagreeing with their god; e.g., “Big Government.”

      Your presence on this web site tells the World that we allow dissent, even when it contains threats, innuendos, lies and near profane language. But this dissent of yours is good for us, because it allows you to provide proof just how intolerant, bigoted, profane, and uncouth liars liberal radical socialists really are. Anyone on the outside with an I.Q. of at least 65, would be disgusted with your diatribes.

      And to respond to another lie: “I’m not beautiful.” My body is full of scars from fifty years of hard work to pay taxes, to support loathsome parasites socialist just like you.

    139. You can go onto TPM or the Huffpost and rant all you want but you will be drowned by the overwhelming resistance we have to anything the RIGHT has to say as they currently stand as extremists. You have been blamed for the near default and your party or should I say the conservatives had to use the Democratic minority in the House on more than 9 occasions to conduct essential and critical governance. You on the extreme RIGHT have failed to govern in any capacity and are online to beat all records as a ‘Super Do Nothing Congress. This will be your demise.

    140. What is happening in our government is going to be the “demise” of the entire nation, not just the demise of “people like me.”

      First of all, you and I have totally different perspectives as to what the “political spectrum” is. I view the political spectrum as the far left being represented by total government. The far right is represented as anarchy. Anarchy can also be described as “The law of the jungle,” no laws, with no civil authorities to maintain order.

      You most likely; and correct me if I’m wrong; (ahem,) I know you wouldn’t do it; (joke); believe the right is represented by Fascism, and the far left represented by communism. At least this is the way it the political spectrum is taught in most colleges and universities.

      Various forms of socialism are then placed from a little to the right of center, with more virulent forms placed between the forms of socialism found in Scandinavia, Ireland, the British Isles and other nations which allow certain individual freedoms and rights. The more virulent the forms of socialism, are placed to the left towards total government.

      Anything to the right of center; including our constitutional form of government; is considered “Right Wing” The closer individuals identify with the Founding Fathers, takes those people closer to the extreme right, closer to being fascist.

      I submit the latter version of the liberal concept of the political spectrum is incorrect. The first concept is the view the Founding Fathers used in defining the political spectrum as constitutional conservatives use it today.

      The use of the Founders view, places conservatives in the “Balanced Center,” between the the two extremes of total government and anarchy.

    141. There is nothing balanced about you. You are a fascist as it the T-Party and we are the center, slightly LEFT.

    142. Yep, I was right, you do accept the liberal theory taught in our College and University Political Science classes.

      Your comment proves my point. Quote:

      “You most likely; and correct me if I’m wrong; (ahem,) I know you wouldn’t do it; (joke); believe the right is represented by Fascism, and the far left represented by communism.

      “Anything to the right of center; including our constitutional form of government; is considered “Right Wing” The closer individuals identify with the Founding Fathers, takes those people closer to the extreme right, closer to being fascist.”

      This is exactly what you theorize.

    143. Yep, I was right, you do accept the liberal theory taught in our College and University Political Science classes.

      Your comment proves my point. Quote:

      “You most likely; and correct me if I’m wrong; (ahem,) I know you wouldn’t do it; (joke); believe the right is represented by Fascism, and the far left represented by communism.

      “Anything to the right of center; including our constitutional form of government; is considered “Right Wing” The closer individuals identify with the Founding Fathers, takes those people closer to the extreme right, closer to being fascist.”

      This is exactly what you theorize.

    144. There is nothing balanced about you. You are a fascist as it the T-Party and we are the center, slightly LEFT.

    145. There is nothing balanced about you. You are a fascist as it the T-Party and we are the center, slightly LEFT.

    146. You can go onto TPM or the Huffpost and rant all you want but you will be drowned by the overwhelming resistance we have to anything the RIGHT has to say as they currently stand as extremists. You have been blamed for the near default and your party or should I say the conservatives had to use the Democratic minority in the House on more than 9 occasions to conduct essential and critical governance. You on the extreme RIGHT have failed to govern in any capacity and are online to beat all records as a ‘Super Do Nothing Congress. This will be your demise.

    147. People of my ilk are not widely seen on this site, so popularity or not, you would be on the wrong site to do so. About my profanity; I am not here to make friends or ask for your respect in any way for you are my enemy.

    148. It is worth repeating over and over until you get so angry that you make a mistake and mash your head with your car’s door. Ever seen a watermelon explode when it is hit with a 50 ca bullet? May my comments increase you inner-cranial pressure until your head duplicates the process.

    149. Old man, you just keep coming back for more and more. Again I must ask, where did you learn to write in the English language? Anyhow, your want, your wishes, your dreams or conjectures don’t impress me on bit. I am not here to be your pal or friend. You are my enemy.

    150. So, we’re your enemies? I gather your looking for a fight then? Do you live in the Chicago area? I would love to take you on in a “Duel”. what do you say “duel”? you up for a little boxing????

    151. Just send me your address and your phone number, include a picture of yourself and I’d certainly oblige you. I’ll be awaiting your response.

    152. Yeah, I’m going to post my address and phone number on here. You really are a DUMBASS! Are you familiar with the area west of Chicago at Harlem and I55? There is a forest preserve just north of the highway on the west side of the street with a bronze statue at the entrance. I will gladly meet you there. give me a day and time. I promise I won’t stand you up!

    153. Better yet, since you called on this.. come to a place just east of the Los Angeles river and north of China Town, on Tremont St. Take that long dead end to the end where the rail road tracks are, into the Dupa-vila housing projects. I’ll be there anytime after dark. There is lots of space and only one way out. I’m very familiar with those projects, I’m certain you will not be missed, for you will stand out like nothing else.

    154. L.A. huh? I’ll bet you would have plenty of back-up from your radical leftist friends. An equal fight would be in a boxing ring governed under “The Marquess of Queensberry Rules.
      Unfortunately I don’t think you know where you live. I found the only Dupa-Villa housing project to be found in my search as being in Phoenix AZ.

    155. I see you know nothing about the local naming or should I say the common name for that particular housing project. I am familiar with the Phoenix sister complex and yes it was built first.

    156. I see you know nothing about the local naming or should I say the common name for that particular housing project. I am familiar with the Phoenix sister complex and yes it was built first.

    157. L.A. huh? I’ll bet you would have plenty of back-up from your radical leftist friends. An equal fight would be in a boxing ring governed under “The Marquess of Queensberry Rules.
      Unfortunately I don’t think you know where you live. I found the only Dupa-Villa housing project to be found in my search as being in Phoenix AZ.

    158. Yeah, I’m going to post my address and phone number on here. You really are a DUMBASS! Are you familiar with the area west of Chicago at Harlem and I55? There is a forest preserve just north of the highway on the west side of the street with a bronze statue at the entrance. I will gladly meet you there. give me a day and time. I promise I won’t stand you up!

    159. I am glad that you consider me “your enemy.” Perhaps we will meet on the battlefield as opposing forces.

    160. WWII, instigated to return the fervor to the American Populace, by antagonizing Japan (trade restrictions) into unwittingly rationalizing their own military abilities, discounting the potential resolve of a provoked enemy.

      WWII led to the ‘cure’ over FDR’s foray into socialism. Prosperity and Freedom to fail, were notably brief. LBJ signed ‘The Great Society’. Redistributing the funded social security Trust, eventually sluicing the growing account into the General Fund, fomenting a society of dependency addicts, tightening the noose on the Productive. Ever read ‘The Little Red Hen’?

      FDR began the wealth redistribution that led to years of financial malaise, rather than a ‘hands off’ approach to allow human nature of survival and enterprise, to gradually restore historic controls of profit/loss motivation.

    161. Tell that to Harding, Coolidge and Herbert Hoover. Their policies brought us the Great Depression in which not just the poor suffered but the middle class and even the people with great fortunes suffered to some degree. Tell them that their austerity measures failed them. That is the type of economic policy you folks on the RIGHT would like to have us go back to. It will never happen. We are socialists forever more.

    162. Tell that to Harding, Coolidge and Herbert Hoover. Their policies brought us the Great Depression in which not just the poor suffered but the middle class and even the people with great fortunes suffered to some degree. Tell them that their austerity measures failed them. That is the type of economic policy you folks on the RIGHT would like to have us go back to. It will never happen. We are socialists forever more.

    163. “Socialists Forevermore”? As throughout history, the same statement was loudly and repeatedly proclaimed, as the ‘Blue Fist’ was raised in defiance. Lech Wallensa may differ with you, as to the ”forevermore’ part… or the intrinsic value. (unfortunate Democrat ‘controlled’ Detroit :). Of course the ‘redistributed wealth’ of National Socialism does not quite ‘trickle down’ as equally as you naively assume.

    164. You forget that Poland was under strict Stalinist communism not socialism. I noticed you didn’t make the socialist example of say France or Sweden. You tend to point to the most extreme cases; Stalinist Poland, North Vietnam and China. I’m surprised you didn’t include Cuba in that group. Try again.

    165. Hmmm? USSR? Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics? If the old Soviet Union identified itself as “socialist,” who are you to say they were not? Other communist states claimed the title “socialist” as well. Were/are they all wrong?

    166. You’re an idiot. The Soviet Union went thru a variety of strict orthodox communist regimes. None, save the tenure of Gorbechev’s Kremlin had anything close to socialist society. They were still fundamentally Stalinists at the time. There is a big difference. Sweden is a socialist country, France is a socialist country…Japan is a socialist country. Saudi Arabia, one of our best friends, is a dictatorship run by a family. Why do we allow that? They were wrong in their approach, yes. That form of orthodox communism is not viable. You already live in a socialist America and have been since 1930 maybe even before that.

    167. Tell that to Harding, Coolidge and Herbert Hoover. Their policies brought us the Great Depression in which not just the poor suffered but the middle class and even the people with great fortunes suffered to some degree. Tell them that their austerity measures failed them. That is the type of economic policy you folks on the RIGHT would like to have us go back to. It will never happen. We are socialists forever more.

    168. Duel: For once I can agree with part of your statement. As far as the political establishment is concerned, what “The People” believe or want, “No longer matters.” This denial of “The People’s” right to life, liberty and property is called totalitarian rule. This type of rule comes in varying forms; e.g., communism, fascism, Oligarchies, dictatorships and Theocracies. Which do you prefer?

      3 hours later: Duel: Come-on, you must have some kind of smart-ass answer to this question. Stupid answers to serious questions are hard to answer aren’t they? And yes, I can modify Alinsky’s, “Rules for Radicals” so conservatives can utilize the principle as well.

    169. We don’t agree with anything. Modify Alinsky’s concepts all you want, you and I will never agree on anything and you shall always be the enemy.

    170. Identifying anyone that does not agree with you as “the enemy” indicates your willingness to kill for the socialist cause. Radical Socialists are more dangerous than the Taliban

    171. That is why the T-Bagger movement has a lower approval rating with the American populace than any other group in this country, except the KLAN. It is your group, the radical evangelical RIGHT that is quickly becoming a national security threat, much as you have called for the assassination of the President and his family.

    172. That is why the T-Bagger movement has a lower approval rating with the American populace than any other group in this country, except the KLAN. It is your group, the radical evangelical RIGHT that is quickly becoming a national security threat, much as you have called for the assassination of the President and his family.

    173. ‘Your’ new America? My, yet another narcissist to join the leadership. Communism has been a disastrous failure throughout it’s dismal history of bankrupting nations. One interesting fact. Communists have an innate lust to ‘eat their own’, when plans do not formulate.

    174. “Eating their own” Sounds like the GOP and the T-Bagger feud. Gerrymandering to such a degree only leads to self cannibalization, as you know.

    175. Duel: Even the few Amazonian tribes left that practice cannibalism, only consume their enemies. Since liberals are so distasteful, I doubt if they would provide much nourishment for the mentallity of the masses.

    176. Liberals hate the world around them and want to change it: the people in it most particularly. Conservatives just want to be left alone to make their own decisions and follow their own values.

    177. Conservatives are just that…fearful of change. You don’t understand the world around you so you need someone to lead you and tell you how to deal with the world around you. You live in fear of change of any type. Well I have news for you, America is no longer the America you grew up in…a New America has dawned while you were asleep and there is no going back.

    178. “Give it up”, “Do something”? Now you’re trying to tell me what to do? As if I would just nod and go away. Up yours fool.

    179. You were the first person to say we are your enemy! who is the threat? you fucking scumbag!!! you are now my enemy!! and, If you have the balls you will show up so I can put you down like I have the rest of my countries enemies!

    180. I’ve told you old man where to be and when. Now go make your plan… for I’ll be in that dead end awaiting you.

    181. Duel; You need to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Another read would be the Federalist papers. That is if you can read.

    182. What for? These men were men who thought that slavery was a divine right. These men had people as beasts of burden and at times sexual dalliance. Who knows to what depravity they stooped down to? These men, writing for white men only. They did not have the people of colour in mind. You live in a very narrow outlook and the same outlook that your founding fathers had…bigotry.

    183. Oh, now you are wanting to tell me what to do. Your post is like cheap dress, nothing to it. Keep it on, you must look flattering in it. You are as vapid as they come. I think you might even beat out Sara Palin for that honor and Michelle Bachman. Those are some pretty stupidly tough people to beat.

    184. Leftists are consistent only in their hate. They don’t have principles. How can they when “there is no such thing as right and wrong”? All they have is postures, pretend-principles that can be changed as easily as one changes one’s shirt

    185. Sounds like you might be describing G.W. Bush and Mitt Romney. The last people to head the GOP and the conservative party in this country.

    186. Reading your drivel reminds me of the Rwandan Genocide. UN NPRTV encouraged Genocide, while the majority Hutu (Islam) were armed by ‘their’ govt. 531,000 Machetes “Cut down the tall trees” as the Tutsi (Christianity), the disarmed minority, were systematically raped, sexually mutilated …purposely targeting females, and slaughtered (1 mil+). Narrow outlook? Bigotry? My how some on the Left forget…selectively.

    187. Some Leftist hatred arises from the fact that they blame “society” for their own personal problems and inadequacies

    188. Duel: First of all I do not stink. I bathe daily. Secondly, I am not the fool here. As far as one of being a “heretic,” your political qualifies you for that position more than it does me.

    189. Explain yourself please. What is, “your political qualifies you”. The odor is your gut wind spewing from both your mouth and your pie hole. I thought you took it as a compliment earlier.

    190. I read it, and your still a dumbass.
      You stated:
      The odor is your gut wind spewing from both your mouth and your pie hole.

      Webster Dictionary:
      pie·hole noun ˈpī-ˌhōl
      CloseStyle: MLA APA Chicago

      Definition of PIEHOLEslang

      : mouth 1a

      Examples of PIEHOLE

      mouth and piehole reference the same orifice. go away dummy!!!

    191. Tell me, do you really believe you will one day be a god as professed by your heretical religious beliefs? That is something the American people at large, Protestant or Catholic would never be able to swallow. I can’t wait to hear your response.

    192. Every religion contains truth. I support any truth espoused by Protestants, Catholics, or those of the Jewish faith. Actually Catholics and the Jewish people get along quite well, in spite of some Doctrinal difference.

      Every separate religious sect interprets the Bible differently. There are even conflicting beliefs among Catholics, Jewish sects and Protestant Denominations.

      The main detractors of the L.D.S. Church are Evangelical Christians and Southern Baptists, but even those religious entities are becoming more tolerant, and even more respectful of the LDS people.

      Reverend James Land who is one of the leading Evangelical Pastors in that movement, recognized that LDS are Christians. He also cited the clean life that most LDS follow, and the good works they do all over the World with no exception to race, creed or color.

      I told you my Church association because I knew how you would react to my “confession” and would react the way you did, just like I knew how you wold react to my being a member of the John Birch Society. I was looking forward to either answering your questions, or refuting your attacks.

      The differences between the ethics and beliefs of Christians, Jews and Mormons are not all that different. We all believe in the same Supreme Creator of the Universe and specific universal standards of beliefs.

      Radical Socialists, communists, Fascists and Totalitarians are not respectful of anyone who does not believe in their agenda. These totalitarian forms of government mentioned above do, have their own religious beliefs. One of those religions is atheism, and the other is environmentalism.

      The purpose of atheism and environmentalism is the destruction of established religious institutions that support universal beliefs in God. The United Nations professes their own Pagan religion. Earth Worship is their official religion. Do you remember “The Ark” that the U.N. sent around the World and displayed in many of the World’s Nations? The Ark of the U.N. and their “Meditation Room” inside of U.N. Headquarters in New York City, are their official representation of the religion that the Totalitarians want to impose on the people of the World.

      I hope that answers your question.

    193. Good try however, you forget the key precept among your heretical beliefs and that is the idea that you will one day become a GOD. That is blasphemous too difficult to swallow by the great majority of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists alike. As for the rest of the Sci-Fi type beliefs of the mormons, akin to Heavens Gate/Scientology fusion style garbage and file for exemption as a religious order is all it is from the great majority of those of us who are not of the heretical type. There is no more exchange needed with you, for if I had any iota of respect and I admit it was little, I cannot extend to you any longer.

    194. Good try however, you forget the key precept among your heretical beliefs and that is the idea that you will one day become a GOD. That is blasphemous too difficult to swallow by the great majority of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists alike. As for the rest of the Sci-Fi type beliefs of the mormons, akin to Heavens Gate/Scientology fusion style garbage and file for exemption as a religious order is all it is from the great majority of those of us who are not of the heretical type. There is no more exchange needed with you, for if I had any iota of respect and I admit it was little, I cannot extend to you any longer.

    195. Chris: I think “Duel” is a native born U.S. Citizen, but is a Black communist who hates the country that guarantees the rights he uses to try to destroy America. Maybe he is a member of the “New Black Panthers,” or some other Black, leftist organization like those run by Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.

      No matter where Duel’s left wing ideology comes from, “Duel” is a Black, radical leftist, spouting communism and uses the tactics outlined by Saul Alinsky.

      Update, Nov 2, 5:55 pm
      Duel says that he isn’t Black. That’s acceptable. However Duel is still a radical socialist, spouting communism. It doesn’t matter what Duel’s race or color is. A radical socialist is a radical socialist, and a communist is still a communist. If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, then it is a Duck. Duel is what he is and no amount of rhetoric can change that fact.

    196. And yours my colored friend is RASISM !!!
      Your own ancestors started slavery and sold your people to the Arabs who then sold them to the rest of the world.

    197. “RASISM”? What the fuck is that? If you mean ‘racism’, you and your ilk took it to the most heinous levels of all, declaring it as a divine right. Your ancestors were savages and if you think I am of Black origin, I am not. Clearly you have failed to read the full extent of my posting on this site or you would not have said such absurdity, you racist P.O.S. Do not call me your friend, for you are my enemy as are all those in the so called T-Bagger movement and you shall always be that enemy.

    198. So you are proud of their belief that they were divinely given the right to think themselves superior to those not white. Yes?

    199. The South is the nest of those rats of the KKK, who by the way affiliate themselves with your type rather than by the Liberal way of life. They drape themselves in the confederate flag as most of you do in the T-Bagger movement and you call that being a patriot. Ha!! Get a grip. Wake up. The KKK hates the liberal ideas of the LEFT. How is it that you don’t understand this?

    200. “your type”….a little bigoted here, aren’t you? You must not realize that the Civil Rights movement in this country was first largely promoted by REPUBLICANS and opposed by the Dems. They came along later when it looked like it was going to be a cause they could benefit from. And now they have their own pretend “plantation”, where the majority of the Black community is bound to do what the Dems want, when they want it, if they want to get goodies from the Masters – just like the real plantations of old. You’re not free and you never will be until you learn to think, and vote, for yourselves.
      And don’t bother calling me names; they can have no significance to me, having read enough of your previous posts to realize that when you call names, you must be frothing at the mouth due to your feelings of impotence.

    201. I can assure you that impotence is not a problem in my physiology. Perhaps you mention it because it is yours. Regardless, funny how the Republicans suddenly are centered in the South, the bed of the KKK. They call themselves now the T-Baggers and drape themselves in the confederate flag and stand at the gates of the White House. Take that fucken flag off and burn it if you are a true patriot. Why do you think skinheads and neoNazis are associated with the extreme RIGHT not the LEFT? Tell me that amused. Why do rabid survivalists, neoNazis, and skinheads consider themselves conservatives in the extreme. Do you belong to one of these groups and are you impotent?

    202. I can assure you that impotence is not a problem in my physiology. Perhaps you mention it because it is yours. Regardless, funny how the Republicans suddenly are centered in the South, the bed of the KKK. They call themselves now the T-Baggers and drape themselves in the confederate flag and stand at the gates of the White House. Take that fucken flag off and burn it if you are a true patriot. Why do you think skinheads and neoNazis are associated with the extreme RIGHT not the LEFT? Tell me that amused. Why do rabid survivalists, neoNazis, and skinheads consider themselves conservatives in the extreme. Do you belong to one of these groups and are you impotent?

    203. Duel, you poor man. So angry and misguided. A
      couple of facts for you:
      “The records of Congress reveal that not one Democrat � either in the House or the Senate � voted for the 14th Amendment,” Barton wrote. “Three years after the Civil War, and the Democrats from the North as well as the South were still refusing to recognize any rights of citizenship for black Americans.”
      He also noted that South Carolina Gov. Wade Hampton at the 1868 Democratic National Convention inserted a clause in the party platform declaring the Congress’ civil rights laws were “unconstitutional, revolutionary, and void.”

      Eisenhower signed the GOP’s 1960 Civil Rights Act after it survived a five-day, five-hour filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats, and in 1964, Democrat President Lyndon Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act after former Klansman Robert Byrd’s 14-hour filibuster, and the votes of 22 other Senate Democrats, including Tennessee’s Al Gore Sr., failed to scuttle the plan.

    204. Funny thing how after the forced integration of 1964 after the signing of LBJ’s 1964 Civil Rights Act, the South kicked out the Democratic Party and they were welcomed into the Conservative Party with open arms, white hooded sheets and all. Is it no surprise to you that those Southern states full of Klan folk are still held tightly by the RIGHT? You make it sound like the South is some bastion of tolerance when indeed it is not. We just swapped pants is all. And from here on out, your chances of ever getting any significant number of minority votes is zero. With the RIGHT’s war on Women, you won’t ever get the majority of women to vote for you either. As for the youth, you are old and staid for them to consider you viable in their political beliefs. Parse it however you like, but that is the truth of the political realities today and regardless of how strong the RIGHT fought for the abolition of slavery, it will always be associated with those who lynched Blacks from trees. If you can’t win them over by policy, deny as many the right to vote as you possibly can is the motto of the RIGHT today as we have painted it to our coalition.

    205. Funny thing how after the forced integration of 1964 after the signing of LBJ’s 1964 Civil Rights Act, the South kicked out the Democratic Party and they were welcomed into the Conservative Party with open arms, white hooded sheets and all. Is it no surprise to you that those Southern states full of Klan folk are still held tightly by the RIGHT? You make it sound like the South is some bastion of tolerance when indeed it is not. We just swapped pants is all. And from here on out, your chances of ever getting any significant number of minority votes is zero. With the RIGHT’s war on Women, you won’t ever get the majority of women to vote for you either. As for the youth, you are old and staid for them to consider you viable in their political beliefs. Parse it however you like, but that is the truth of the political realities today and regardless of how strong the RIGHT fought for the abolition of slavery, it will always be associated with those who lynched Blacks from trees. If you can’t win them over by policy, deny as many the right to vote as you possibly can is the motto of the RIGHT today as we have painted it to our coalition.

    206. Funny thing how after the forced integration of 1964 after the signing of LBJ’s 1964 Civil Rights Act, the South kicked out the Democratic Party and they were welcomed into the Conservative Party with open arms, white hooded sheets and all. Is it no surprise to you that those Southern states full of Klan folk are still held tightly by the RIGHT? You make it sound like the South is some bastion of tolerance when indeed it is not. We just swapped pants is all. And from here on out, your chances of ever getting any significant number of minority votes is zero. With the RIGHT’s war on Women, you won’t ever get the majority of women to vote for you either. As for the youth, you are old and staid for them to consider you viable in their political beliefs. Parse it however you like, but that is the truth of the political realities today and regardless of how strong the RIGHT fought for the abolition of slavery, it will always be associated with those who lynched Blacks from trees. If you can’t win them over by policy, deny as many the right to vote as you possibly can is the motto of the RIGHT today as we have painted it to our coalition.

    207. There are a couple of things I understand well. First, you have no idea what my type is. Second, you are the one who needs to be educated. Third, dirt bags such as yourself are the problem we face today. And last, none of us should waste anymore time on the likes of you Maggot.

    208. Lee, Maggot needs not be capitalized. Calling me names will not change one thing, for what you say means nothing to me and your type of ilk. Another thing here Lee is, it is ‘firstly’, ‘secondly’, ‘thirdly’ and ‘lastly’ my poor and sad boy. You are a waste of time from my point of view.

    209. ahh,. is this the explanation, for chicago thugery? laws are for white people, so, all the black on white crime, isent a crime after all?? laws of the land, only appy to whites? sounds like it. and makes sense, with all the assaults going on all over the country, since the zimmerman verdict. and the commi media backs em up. all of the newest threats this nation is undergoing, has been done by design. that is, DESTROY AMERICA. and sadly, we have way too many like minded fools in this country. close the borders. stop visas, from all mid east coutries, leave the u.n. these few steps will stop alot of americas blood letting…

    210. Bob, I’ll take this comment from “Duel:”

      I am a member of the John Birch Society and have proudly been so for over forty-five years. I’m not one of the founders, but I’ve been in the trenches, and I know the progressive/communist/mindset. You are the perfect example of everything that ails our Country and everything that total government represents.

    211. The John Birch Society, huh? I had no doubt about it especially how you carried on about Alinsky. You belong to that old and tired society and have been brainwashed with it’s waste. Notice they keep a very low profile these days? Why is that? I’ll tell you why. They have been marginalized and anyone running for office that is associated to the John Birch Society can not win in national elections. I just finished reading some of your posts but had to stop. Your use of the word ‘that’ is used way too often and makes for tedious reading. Where did you learn to write, you ignorant fool?

    212. The John Birch Society, huh? I had no doubt about it especially how you carried on about Alinsky. You belong to that old and tired society and have been brainwashed with it’s waste. Notice they keep a very low profile these days? Why is that? I’ll tell you why. They have been marginalized and anyone running for office that is associated to the John Birch Society can not win in national elections. I just finished reading some of your posts but had to stop. Your use of the word ‘that’ is used way too often and makes for tedious reading. Where did you learn to write, you ignorant fool?

    213. The use of self descriptors such as “Ignorant fool” are an Alinksy tactic.

      The JBS has more members today than it ever has had in its history. It is growing every day and people are finding out THAT the Society isn’t the radical right-wing organization as portrayed by the managed media or the “Kingston Trio!”

      Additionally, I might know THAT you would complain about the use of one simple, nondescript word. Anything to belittle, right Saul?

    214. It is simply a call to your ignorance and lack of ability to write cohesively. I at least have an excuse. What is yours old heretic T-Billy? Your writing with excessive use of the word “that” is tedious, if you didn’t get it the first time around. Now edit your statement before posting them. Yes we own the press in the three essential languages to this nation. There is little you can do about it.

    215. OoooWee: The word “that” really bugs you does it? In that case: “That, that, that, that that.” How’s “THAT” for editing? I guess it is a childish response, but “That” is the best this “Old heretic T-Billy” could come up with. Are you really pissed off yet? No? Well I will try harder!

    216. You must have agreed with me about your rambling use of the word “that” every 10 words. You were beginning to sound like a true Valley Girl. You find it childish only because you as a grown man only now you have been made aware of your tedious error. As for me getting mad, I have a solid wall of principles not allowing your garbage from the RIGHT to get to me, as you know heretical T-Billy.

    217. You must have agreed with me about your rambling use of the word “that” every 10 words. You were beginning to sound like a true Valley Girl. You find it childish only because you as a grown man only now you have been made aware of your tedious error. As for me getting mad, I have a solid wall of principles not allowing your garbage from the RIGHT to get to me, as you know heretical T-Billy.

    218. I knew this confession would raise the hackles on your neck! Hate away. Hate until you choke on it. One less radical hate monger would be a blessing for America.

    219. Duel you might not be an ILLEGAL ALIEN but you are ANTI-AMERICAN and if you don’t like our Bill of Rights and Constitution then you can move out of our Country that has FREEDOM to a different country that has no freedom like Iran, Iraq, Syria, or most of the Middle East countries.

    220. So not only do you think of me as an illegal alien, an anti-American but now I’m middle eastern too? Read my posts and find out what you don’t know about me. Then come back and say something useful. You’re a dolt.

    221. Duel: You are so full of natural fertilizer straight from the Cow that you have Watermelons growing out of your ears. The Founders were unanimously opposed to slavery, but had to deal with the the times they lived in. And yes, Washington and Jefferson both owned Slaves. The Slaves were part of their inheritance. At that time the law was abundantly clear that Slave owners could NOT grant the Slaves they owned their freedom under penalty of law.

      So some Slave Owners did the next best thing. They prepared their wards by giving them an education, provided decent housing and food, and a monetary stipend. Both Washington and Jefferson followed this rule until they died, and both men gave their Slaves their freedom.

      In that era, many could only do what they could under the circumstances of the time.

    222. And you, like the rest of those here yearn for those good ole’ days. Not happening pal. All I hear and smell from you is gut wind from your mouth and your pie hole. Now get lost and take your stinking ares out of here if you don’t like what I have to say old man.

    223. You have the “Old Man” right I suppose. But the “sinking” part of your comment is grossly exaggerated. I’ll tell you what, I’ll stop responding when you do. I wonder who will get tired of this magnificent battle first?

      Personally, I’m just netting warmed up. You are not as brilliant as you think! Truth is my best weapon in your case.

    224. Do as you wish, I am not here to beg for your testament to my brilliance, if I am indeed brilliant or I am not. You flatter yourself way too abundantly with your self righteous mormon.

    225. Do as you wish, I am not here to beg for your testament to my brilliance, if I am indeed brilliant or I am not. You flatter yourself way too abundantly with your self righteous mormon.

    226. If you read the Constitution, then read the briefs in this case, you would know that the right has lied to you again. The DOJ is not claiming a UN Treaty trumps the Constitution. The DOJ is claiming that Congress has the right to make certain conduct criminal on a federal level, and that when the Congress chooses to pass a LAW that criminalizes conduct and the President signs that law, it, well, it becomes the law.

      Treaties are signed by the executive, ratified in the Senate and then enacted into law (or not) by the entirety of Congress and upon the signature of the President. That’s the Constitutional process that was followed here. Didn’t read that in the article, did you? Why, because the facts get in the way of the hyperbole.

      If the UN was replacing US law or a naked treat from the UN were to become the law of the land, I’d join you, but that is not what happened here.

    227. If you read the Constitution, then read the briefs in this case, you would know that the right has lied to you again. The DOJ is not claiming a UN Treaty trumps the Constitution. The DOJ is claiming that Congress has the right to make certain conduct criminal on a federal level, and that when the Congress chooses to pass a LAW that criminalizes conduct and the President signs that law, it, well, it becomes the law.

      Treaties are signed by the executive, ratified in the Senate and then enacted into law (or not) by the entirety of Congress and upon the signature of the President. That’s the Constitutional process that was followed here. Didn’t read that in the article, did you? Why, because the facts get in the way of the hyperbole.

      If the UN was replacing US law or a naked treat from the UN were to become the law of the land, I’d join you, but that is not what happened here.

    228. You call names. It would be better for you to give rational reasons for your position.

    229. The only thing that can “trump” the Constitution is a Constitutional Amendment. An unconstitutional treaty or law is still unconstitutional.

    230. I do not argue that point with you. Are you perhaps referring to the ACA? A law, challenged at the Supreme Court and twice declared constitutional. Just like the Black man who won twice to a white man. You just hate that Barack Obama a Black man sits in the White House. It makes your skin crawl, just like the rest of those here. Well, you better get used to is, for he still has three years left. He single handedly unarmed Syria of it’s chemical and biological weapons yesterday by the way. Eat that for breakfast and it didn’t cost a dime.

    231. No what make my skin crawl is all the freeloading illegal aliens like yourself who hides behind a screenname.

    232. “No what make my skin crawl is…” What the fu-ck does that mean. Is English your second language? It is my third and I learned it as an adult. I know my use of it is not as well expressed as many here, but yours is outright laughable. Then I think, well this person is probably some rural farmer or some agricultural worker and never had a decent education. That must be it. Rewrite you post and resubmit it. Don’t forget to edit it. Illegal alien, don’t you so wish.

    233. The failure of the Soviet experiment has definitely made the American Left more vicious and hate-filled than they were. The plain failure of what passed for ideas among them has enraged rather than humbled them

    234. Said like a truly sad faced NEO-CON having lost much of his business over the loss of the Soviet system. I repeat. I am not a communist. I am a socialist. There is a difference. We live in a socialist democracy. We have since FDR.

    235. Duel: Aw… come-on, admit it. You are a socialist that supports the planks of the Communist Manifesto. Technically you may not be a card-carrying member of the C.P.U.S.A., but you do agree with their principles than you do in the constitution.

    236. I do not believe in the principles of Communism of any sort. I am a Socialist. You may think whatever you want of me. What you think does not matter to me.

    237. I do not believe in the principles of Communism of any sort. I am a Socialist. You may think whatever you want of me. What you think does not matter to me.

    238. I do not believe in the principles of Communism of any sort. I am a Socialist. You may think whatever you want of me. What you think does not matter to me.

    239. Are you a medical doctor or just conjuring lady? The reason is because I have gotten much heat from those of you on the RIGHT about my abilities in English. Like I told the man I was responding to, his use of the English language seemed like is was the result of ESL course. I understand that since I learned English as an adult and is my third language. You are just too sensitive, Pat.

    240. Are you a medical doctor or just conjuring lady? The reason is because I have gotten much heat from those of you on the RIGHT about my abilities in English. Like I told the man I was responding to, his use of the English language seemed like is was the result of ESL course. I understand that since I learned English as an adult and is my third language. You are just too sensitive, Pat.

    241. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were rural Farmers, and they helped give us the most perfect form of government ever penned by the mind of man. I thought I would paraphrase the actual quote so you could understand it.

      Be careful insulting rural farmers. They own sharp tools!

    242. Thomas Jefferson was no conservative. He was an Atomist first, a philosopher second and thirdly a politician. He fought dearly to keep faith and state apart for he knew all to well the concepts of Lucritious’ De Rerum Natura. As a matter of fact it fascinated him so much that he had 7 copies of it. 2 in Latin, 2 in Greek, 1 in English and 2 in German. Have you read this poem?

    243. Thomas Jefferson was no conservative. He was an Atomist first, a philosopher second and thirdly a politician. He fought dearly to keep faith and state apart for he knew all to well the concepts of Lucritious’ De Rerum Natura. As a matter of fact it fascinated him so much that he had 7 copies of it. 2 in Latin, 2 in Greek, 1 in English and 2 in German. Have you read this poem?

    244. Thomas Jefferson was no conservative. He was an Atomist first, a philosopher second and thirdly a politician. He fought dearly to keep faith and state apart for he knew all to well the concepts of Lucritious’ De Rerum Natura. As a matter of fact it fascinated him so much that he had 7 copies of it. 2 in Latin, 2 in Greek, 1 in English and 2 in German. Have you read this poem?

    245. Duel, Where are you from? As for myself, I was born and raised on the west side of Chicago and I served my country, what have you done for the United States? besides running your fucking mouth and sticking up for a fraudulent president/tyrant of the United States.
      P.S. I can’t wait to meet you in person!

    246. Read my post history and it shall be revealed to you. I’ve never been to Chicago, so east or west means nothing to me. I don’t give a damn where you were reared boy.

    247. I have read your post, all I gathered was that you were reared in a housing project or at least near one.
      Hey, If you ever decide to visit Chicago please, look me up. I would be more than happy to give you a tour of my fist.

    248. So, you declare a duel and now you cowardly back out. Yes I have many partners that live in the projects or near those projects. Many dead bodies are found near those very tracks. They are a perfect place to hold a duel.

    249. “Working with Obama is like playing chess with a Pigeon. It flies in, knocks over all of the pieces, craps all over the board, then struts around like it won the game”. qt: Vladimir Putin

    250. Geezer that quote fits Obama and his liberal agenda to a “T.” It also fits the mindset of Mr. Duel!

    251. If you really believe this you are hopeless. You deserve what you think you want. We don’t. There are plenty of socialist countries. Move to one if it makes you happy. Just don’t come back.

    252. Wake up, you live in a Socialist country. You have SS, Medicare. You have the Veteran’s administration and now have the ACA. You live in a Socialist country. By the way, there are no non Socialist countries left, except N. Korea.

    253. The naive scholar who searches for a consistent Leftist program will not find it. What there is consists only in the negation of the present.

    254. Lost as ever Joe, you have failed to respond to my question on a socialist society with the existence of SS, Medicare, the Veteran’s Administration and now the ACA. You live in a socialist society.

    255. Unsustainable, faster spending Socialist Society, as every other previous in history. ‘The Graveyard Spiral’. Naive, often narcissistic VFR Pilots, flying into IFR conditions, eventually find themselves in a Graveyard Spiral, or worse. John Kennedy, another narcissist politician, Progressive, was a victim of his own lack of knowledge, huge on personal confidence, he took trusting victims with him.

      The Graveyard Spiral feels good. Flying in tight circles with centrifugal force maintaining the proper G’s. Compass spinning lazily, gradually losing altitude, due to wings vertical (no lift) until ‘Terrain Terrain Terrain! ‘Auguring in’ is typical.

      Survival of the G.S. is often taking hands ‘Off’ the controls (at sufficient altitude) and allowing the aircraft to recover itself. Of course this requires a properly ‘trimmed’ AC after take-off and overcoming the overwhelming personal reluctance, to relinquish control…

    256. I’m not interested in more of your garbage from the RIGHT. Keep it and stop spewing black feathers all over the place.

    257. I’m not interested in more of your garbage from the RIGHT. Keep it and stop spewing black feathers all over the place.

    258. I’m not interested in more of your garbage from the RIGHT. Keep it and stop spewing black feathers all over the place.

    259. “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
      the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
      its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
      – Winston Churchill

      These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters don’t know this.

      1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

      2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

      3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

      4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

      5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

    260. Winston Churchill huh? Did you know that the London Olympics central feature for their opening ceremony was the National Health Service? That shows you a prideful Socialist nation.

    261. Well finely some truth out of you. Sure it is, as the only other things it can showcase is the Queens Royal Family and their crown jewels. The socialist have all but wipe out all the big industries ,
      The level of public spending on the welfare state by the British Government accounted for £113.1 billion, or 16% of government spending in the fiscal year 2011, with a further 17% (£119.4 bn) being spent on the state pension and 18% (£121 bn) on health. A report published in 2010 by the Government of David Cameron entitled State of the Nation compared the cost of the most expensive benefits and indicated that state pensions were overwhelmingly the largest governmental welfare expense, costing in excess of £50 billion, followed by housing benefit and council tax benefit, which combined accounted for over £20 billion. Expenditure in 2011-12 on benefits included £5.1 billion paid to unemployed people and £41 billion to people on low incomes

    262. Stop chasing your tail, you’re going in circles. What is the point of this aimlessly meandering attempt of British fiscal obligations?

    263. DUH!!! DUH!!!
      1 You brought the British up .
      2 This is what socialist society cost.
      3 Crawl back under your desk at the Huffington Post
      and keep your socialist POPPYCOCK to yourself.

    264. Why should I? Again, you find yourself giving meaningless commands.

      Why would I give up such a view…

      Your eyes must be cross-eyed right about now. Hahahahaha…..

      You have nothing left, do you, Doo Doo, I mean, Duh, Duh.

    265. Stop chasing your tail, you’re going in circles. What is the point of this aimlessly meandering attempt of British fiscal obligations?

    266. Duel: The VA is not a socialistic agency, When our Veterans return home with injuries caused in service to their Country, it is one of the few necessary services sanctioned by the constitution.

      What makes you believe that North Korea isn’t a socialist, totalitarian regime? Communism is socialism on steroids. Communism either provides or deprives the people living under it the necessities of life.

      You really need to do a better job when presenting your arguments.

    267. Regardless of what the constitution says about our responsibilities to those coming home from our wars, it is still a socialist concept. It’s inception was from one of our greatest presidents FDR along with other socialist programs.

      Read the China Daily editorials. They fear Socialism as much as Capitalists fear socialism. Communism is very different from Socialism. Do you live in a Socialist America? Yes or no?

    268. Yes we live under socialist rules and regulations. The political spectrum places us to the left of the balanced center. However this does not mean that your “New America” is superior to the Founder’s Constitution.

      See that? I can answer your question without batting an eye. Why is it that liberals cannot do the same?

    269. Yes we live under socialist rules and regulations. The political spectrum places us to the left of the balanced center. However this does not mean that your “New America” is superior to the Founder’s Constitution.

      See that? I can answer your question without batting an eye. Why is it that liberals cannot do the same?

    270. It took you long enough. Yes you do live in a Socialist America. That will never change. It will only become more socialistic. You see your shouts of fear that we would become Bolsheviks back in 1930 were outright lies put forth by the conservatives of this nation. I’m glad to see that you agree with me on this matter. It takes a-lot for a conservative to admit we live in a Socialist country, a Social Democracy of a Republic. You just needed a little bit of beating on to make you come around.

    271. It took you long enough. Yes you do live in a Socialist America. That will never change. It will only become more socialistic. You see your shouts of fear that we would become Bolsheviks back in 1930 were outright lies put forth by the conservatives of this nation. I’m glad to see that you agree with me on this matter. It takes a-lot for a conservative to admit we live in a Socialist country, a Social Democracy of a Republic. You just needed a little bit of beating on to make you come around.

    272. It took you long enough. Yes you do live in a Socialist America. That will never change. It will only become more socialistic. You see your shouts of fear that we would become Bolsheviks back in 1930 were outright lies put forth by the conservatives of this nation. I’m glad to see that you agree with me on this matter. It takes a-lot for a conservative to admit we live in a Socialist country, a Social Democracy of a Republic. You just needed a little bit of beating on to make you come around.

    273. I just noticed a sentence in your post two days ago. Herein lies every government related problem discussed on every news report, political blog, etc.

      A cut and paste will do just fine: “Regardless of what the constitution says…”

      This is what keeps getting America into trouble. Our politicians keep throwing the constitution aside for a promise from an ideology which claims it is superior to the Founder’s Freedom Formula.

      If the people on Capitol Hill, in the Executive Branch and on the Supreme Court upheld their Oath of Office, all of Americas problems would begin going away. The direct in which America is headed would disappear within five to ten years. They would be gone…., Kaput.

      Our national problems have been building up to a culmination of our demise since Woodrow Wilson stepped into the White House.

      The constitution is the medicine we need to get our Nation back on track. We haven’t allowed it to live up to its full potential and now we are paying the price.

      Opinion? Yes. Truth? Also yes.

      Lets give the constitution in its pure form a try. Your socialist experiment doesn’t work and it never will. All it will do is destroy every nation that tries it, including our own.

    274. Opinion yes, “Truth”. Again, only your opinion. Conjecture, nothing more.

      What about the Woodrow Wilson administrations do you point to the beginning of a socialist movement in this country?

      You know, since the conservatives have blocked all legislation proposed by this great president, I would be inclined, no matter how good for the society, dismiss any and all legislation proposed by the RIGHT, purely on political grounds as they have done. ‘Give them not one success’ would my motto for anything originating from the RIGHT.

    275. Did they now? Let’s see? Wilson changed the mission of the Senate with the Direct Election of Senators.

      Wilson gave us the Graduated Income Tax, which is one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto.

      Wilson stuck us with the Federal Reserve Bank which isn’t either “Federal” or a “reserve.” The Federal Reserve is owned by six foreign banks and one American Bank, Chase Manhattan, owned by the Rockefeller family. The Fed steals our money by inflating the money supply. Also a communist idea.

      Wilson was the architect of the League of Nations, a forerunner or little brother of the U.N. The two have the same objectives; e.g., to destroy sovereign governments and establish the New World Order.

      Wilson was not a “Great President,” he was an Internationalist. And you are honest in saying that you will never give us one successful truth against socialism.” You have to deny truth and facts, because when a lie is repeated over and over again, it becomes the truth.

    276. You can spin and contort any statement to fit your mindset….any. What you consider truth, I do not. Yes those events happened but the conclusion is off, way off. We are a better society for Wilson and thanks to the FDR programs that accelerated Wilson’s ideas, we are so much more better off. I notice you don’t say anything about the failures of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. Hoover was Economic Secretary under both Conservatives Harding and Coolidge and their policies over those 12 years proved disastrous for the world. Is that what you want to take us back to, I think so. You folks are ignorant T-Billies that don’t understand the precepts of governing.

    277. I’m not even going to dignify your opinion on the subject. An unreasonable radial socialist cannot be reasoned with, just like your blaming conservatives for the ACA web failure.

      Your Rule: ‘Give them not one success’ would my motto for anything originating from the RIGHT.”

      Do you know what? This is the same as when a bully beats on a smaller kid in school, and the smaller kid turns around and “cleans the bully’s clock.” And then “Mommy and Daddy” go to the Principal of the school and demand that the smaller kid who defended himself, be expelled permanently from school. This is an example of socialist thinking. It is exactly what you are doing.

    278. You sound like Mark LeWhine… you know the little conservative man that hides in the shadows. What do you think you people can accomplish? You are a fringe and nothing more. You are now marginalized and I assure you, the extremist conservatives will not use the debt ceiling or any necessary CR to hold us hostage again. They were squarely defeated in NJ by a man that not only looks like a rhino but is the epitome of a RINO. He belongs to us and very well can be the Manchurian candidate to destroy the extreme RIGHT once and for all. In Virginia, you lost there in an off year election, imagine if it were a presidential election, you would have fared a much more devastating loss. What exactly do you think you can accomplish?, I ask again…

    279. Well, first I acknowledge that isn’t a damned thing that can be done to change people like you. That is an impossible task.

      What I am accomplishing is exposing the irrational thought, and liberal mindset of socialists. When you respond and say everyone that disagrees with you “Are the enemy,” you are speaking volumes.

      I’m happy that we have you to help us expose expose what socialism really is.
      Thanks

      And when you say I sound like Mark Leavin, Michael Savage Shaun Hannity, Rush and other hosts on conservative radio, I take it a a huge complement. I know that I’m on the right side of the issues.

      I am now ready for another rant, so rant away Mr. Duel, rant away!

    280. Tell me something Mr. “On the Right side of the issues”. How was it possible the you conservatives lost the Virginia Governorship, and Lt. Governorship in an off year election to a man that campaigned to widen access to the ACA in Virginia? Yes, more socialism!! The RIGHT side of this issue lost last night, that will be the pattern when you put in candidates like you did in Virginia that are radically to the RIGHT. Go on, keep doing it, you’ll lose just about every time, unless of course you then are talking the low electoral Red states of the South.

    281. Did they now? Let’s see? Wilson changed the mission of the Senate with the Direct Election of Senators.

      Wilson gave us the Graduated Income Tax, which is one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto.

      Wilson stuck us with the Federal Reserve Bank which isn’t either “Federal” or a “reserve.” The Federal Reserve is owned by six foreign banks and one American Bank, Chase Manhattan, owned by the Rockefeller family. The Fed steals our money by inflating the money supply. Also a communist idea.

      Wilson was the architect of the League of Nations, a forerunner or little brother of the U.N. The two have the same objectives; e.g., to destroy sovereign governments and establish the New World Order.

      Wilson was not a “Great President,” he was an Internationalist. And you are honest in saying that you will never give us one successful truth against socialism.” You have to deny truth and facts, because when a lie is repeated over and over again, it becomes the truth.

    282. You consider the four lives lost in Bengazi not costing a dime? Gun running to Syria through Bangazi resulting in four dead Americans. Hillary, Rice, and Obama lied and lie to this day.

    283. Failed have been your efforts to prove such a thing to the American people. Failed just like the Fast and Furious issue that originated under G.W. Bush. Flat on your face is where you’ll end up with the Benghazi issue for it was your side that cut funding for security to many embassy and consulates worldwide, including the mission in Benghazi.

    284. If Obama went on National Television and lined-up the top conservatives in Congress and tied their hands behind their backs, and shot all of them in the back of the head, you would deny that he performed the shootings, even when the world witnessed it.

      As with Obama, you claim everyone else is to blame for everything that goes wrong in this Addministration, except for Obama. Somehow, some socialist is going to try to pin the failure of the Obamacare Web-site on the Republicans, especially the conservatives.

      As you say: “Never give an inch to the enemy, even when you have to lie.”

    285. Of course it was the fault of the conservatives that denied Sebelius what she asked for the launch the website. She was given 10% of what she asked for…. this is the conservative’s fault. The ACA will come to be and you on the RIGHT will be left holding an empty bag when the American people actually begin to see the benefits of the ACA. Even you will benefit from the principles and protections of the ACA. People on the RIGHT are complaining their insurance policies are now going to cost more and or have been dropped. They act as if this is practice is new to insurance companies. It is not. They could drop you at any moment, they could deny you insurance based on your health, they could deny you based on age, the could cap an insurance after you have been diagnosed with a catastrophic illness. You now have protections against having to file for bankruptcy as a result of a medical condition..meaning that the 85 plus percent of bankruptcies will no longer be. The ACA reigns in the responsibilities of insurance companies and makes them accountable to the insured. How do you see this as wrong?

    286. Man! What a diatribe!
      I say that Obama could commit a mass murder, LIVE on national television, and you come back about Obama’s web site! Unbelievable!

      Good grief Man!

      But since you’re on the subject…

      The Obama Administration spent an enormous amount of money on that web site; $760 Million; to put the stupid thing together. And you sit at the keyboard and have the audacity to blame people outside of the Administration? I don’t even blame the Democrats for Obama’s failure to use a contractor that knew what they were doing!

      The Administration chose Moochelle’s cronies to give the contract to. They did’t even put it out for bid. Now the same company that screwed-up the ACA website, have been paid to build another one, again with it not being put out for bid.

      Even CNN; Obama’s main apologist; is admitting that the money was wasted, and the entire episode is a colossal blunder. Then you turn around and say the Obama Administration needed TEN TIMES THE Funding to build the web site correctly? Lets see? Ten times $760 Million? Wow? The Republicans and conservatives shorted HHS $684,000,000,000 for a total of $760,000,000,000. The total cost you suggest is in is in Billions of Dollars. It is a cost that is outrageously incomprehensible.

      My paid job is building websites for small businesses. I usually use “GoDaddy” because they offer the tools to build a good site at an affordable cost, Before I publish a site on “GoDaddy” it doesn’t cost anything. I can tell if the website is working properly before I hit the “publish” button. I can also go back in and add and delete products, take credit cards and PayPal, and do a host of other things using their computer program.

      Granted, the ACA web site would have to be a little more complex than something for a small business, but why wasn’t the site working correctly before it was published? If I can test a web site before it is published, the company that built the ACA web site can do it to, that is if the company is at all competent.

      Yea, Yea, I know, I cant compare the complexity of the ACA web site with a “GoDaddy” website for small business. Wrong! The government has tons of knowledge in building websites. I don’t care for the IRS, but their system allows the public to use their proprietary program to calculate individual tax returns and file online. What makes the ACA so much more complex than the IRS program?

      You are feeding us a load of B.S. on the ACA website issue. And I believe that somehow you would find a way to justify the murder of conservatives by Obama on live television if he ever chose to do so. I’m not saying this would ever happen, I am simply identifying the socialist mindset. You know very well that no one besides this Administration was responsible for this web site debacle. You are absolutely out of your mind for even suggesting such a theory.

    287. Yes, anything to get rid on just one more conservative, I would support or certainly stand silent without objection.

    288. Yes, anything to get rid on just one more conservative, I would support or certainly stand silent without objection.

    289. If Obama went on National Television and lined-up the top conservatives in Congress and tied their hands behind their backs, and shot all of them in the back of the head, you would deny that he performed the shootings, even when the world witnessed it.

      As with Obama, you claim everyone else is to blame for everything that goes wrong in this Addministration, except for Obama. Somehow, some socialist is going to try to pin the failure of the Obamacare Web-site on the Republicans, especially the conservatives.

      As you say: “Never give an inch to the enemy, even when you have to lie.”

    290. Failed have been your efforts to prove such a thing to the American people. Failed just like the Fast and Furious issue that originated under G.W. Bush. Flat on your face is where you’ll end up with the Benghazi issue for it was your side that cut funding for security to many embassy and consulates worldwide, including the mission in Benghazi.

    291. Duel: Do you know who I would choose as the President? I suppose you don’t, but Dr. Ben Carson is my first choice. Why? Because he is intelligent, knowledgeable about the issues, and he is NOT A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN! Professional politicians are, and always have been the people that have gotten America into the mess it is in.

    292. Why would I care who you choose? I don’t give a rat’s a-hole. You lost and lost good and it kills you that a Black man won over the Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney. You better get used to it, for Hillary Clinton will be your next President along with Billy Boy Clinton. Imagine that, first time in history two presidents, one a women are president in the same White House. That is too much to pass up on helping make history. This one is going to be a landslide as big as FDR’s.

    293. Duel: Oh goody. I have another nice news flash for you. I am a “Mormon” too! Actually, “Mormons” are more correctly named Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
      There is another piece of information about me that will help boost your hatred of me even more.

    294. No wonder that you voted for that sissy boy P.O.S. the mormon bishop Mitt Romney. There was no way Catholics would have voted for such a heretic. Do you live in Utah, maybe near St. George? Do you have a harem of women too? We riled the Latino community in 2012 against that heretic and succeeded in winning their votes. No need to mention his pompous statements giving him the agonal and final breaths of his campaign. Boy he sure has been out of site and for good reason too. Poor little heretic Ann. She had her decorators all set to redesign the White House like a mormon shrine. Ha!! I think you may have been in Boston the night of the election when he was crying like a baby….

      They never saw it coming, BOOM!!…..Stinging defeat for GOP…. ‘we never saw it coming”…… They looked like they got hit by a cement truck. I love watching NBC, ABC, CBS, Univsion, Telemundo and Galavision and other outlets’ footage of those people at Romney headquarters in Boston on election night. They first looked perplexed and confused, then as results from state after state started coming in, concern and a little fear hit them, and hard. Then a freakout panic, then they recovered a bit. But for only a minute for a few minutes later a little sobbing started and then as if on cue right out frustration, anger and wailing out loud. They clutching each other, looking at each other with doom and disbelief in their tearful and crying eyes. More confused than ever, they just looked around as if looking for someone to come save them. Finally dispare, unbelievable dispare crawled onto and gripped their faces tight with contortions. Some sat with their faces in their laps other fell to their knees as if praying and crying out loud. Some screamed, NO, NO, NO!!! Some screamed, Oh my god!!, Oh my god!! Hilarious! I tell you, hilarious!!! I still go there to watch, it feels so good. The sports bar I go to plays it now and again just for the fun of it all. In all the pics of this montage there is not one person of colour sadly to say. There is Korean version that you can tell the commentators are doing everything they can to keep from laughing.

      Enjoy the feathers of that rotten crow, you old heretic.

    295. Duel: Yep! It boosted your hatred of me all right. Maybe I can help you win a stroke. Sometimes a stroke improves a vicious person with a sense of humor and respect for others.

      Nope, the first bumper sticker on my car was in support of Herman Cain. When Cain was forced out because of Socialist attacks, the next sticker that appeared on my car was in support of Ron Paul. My Romney sticker went on my car AFTER Romney won the nomination, not because he was a “Mormon Bishop.”

      However I still maintain the ethical, moral and spiritual strengths, far outweighed the unethical standards of Obama. So rant on Mr. Duel, radical socialist extraordinaire, rant on.

    296. Take some English writing help from those mormons you hang out with. Those very mormons why feel one day, you all too shall challenge the divinity allowed only to GOD by becoming gods yourselves. This is the hardest concept to swallow for those not of your religious ilk. And one more thing old man, the word is ‘alright’, not “all right”.

      To weigh the standards of your religious beliefs, as ridiculous as they are, makes me think you have doubts about it yourself. I would never weigh my beliefs in such a way, for it would show weakness in my beliefs. And my beliefs are supreme and cannot be weighed against anything, unlike yours.

      Is English a second language to you too? It seems there are many on this site using it as a result of ESL courses.

    297. Take some English writing help from those mormons you hang out with. Those very mormons why feel one day, you all too shall challenge the divinity allowed only to GOD by becoming gods yourselves. This is the hardest concept to swallow for those not of your religious ilk. And one more thing old man, the word is ‘alright’, not “all right”.

      To weigh the standards of your religious beliefs, as ridiculous as they are, makes me think you have doubts about it yourself. I would never weigh my beliefs in such a way, for it would show weakness in my beliefs. And my beliefs are supreme and cannot be weighed against anything, unlike yours.

      Is English a second language to you too? It seems there are many on this site using it as a result of ESL courses.

    298. Why would I care who you choose? I don’t give a rat’s a-hole. You lost and lost good and it kills you that a Black man won over the Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney. You better get used to it, for Hillary Clinton will be your next President along with Billy Boy Clinton. Imagine that, first time in history two presidents, one a women are president in the same White House. That is too much to pass up on helping make history. This one is going to be a landslide as big as FDR’s.

    299. Why would I care who you choose? I don’t give a rat’s a-hole. You lost and lost good and it kills you that a Black man won over the Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney. You better get used to it, for Hillary Clinton will be your next President along with Billy Boy Clinton. Imagine that, first time in history two presidents, one a women are president in the same White House. That is too much to pass up on helping make history. This one is going to be a landslide as big as FDR’s.

    300. “He single handedly unarmed Syria of it’s chemical and biological weapons”???? DAMN YOUR DUMB!!! If it were not for Vladimir Putin we would be at war with China, Russia and Syria!!!

      GO AWAY DUMMY!!!! YOUR LIKE A PARASITE !!!!
      Also, here is my answer to your stupid comment regarding; hating Obummer because he’s black.
      SEE BELOW!

    301. Tell me’ why you think suddenly Syria not only declared they indeed had chemical and biological weapons but offered to have the destroyed under UN supervision and verified by authorities of the EU, the Arab League, United States, Russia and the UN? Tell me what you know about Assad’s decision to suddenly even sign onto the international convention to ban the use of such weapons after decades of admitting nor signing onto such convention.

    302. I’ll not try to reason with you as you cannot reason with an Obamidiot. They haven’t the capacity to reason.

    303. Then why did you reply. People like you call on this administration as a Socialist and sit there and collect from it your SS and Medicare benefits old man/lady. You live in a socialist society. It is not completely capitalist. Where have you been since FDR?

    304. Actually the Democrats and the President are the butt of jokes Worldwide! But thanks for the laugh!

    305. No, it used to just be the evangelical GOP. Now it is concentrated on the T-Bagger movement for it’s full support of the most stupid lady in the world, as Le Monde recounted her interview with Katie Couric. That just does not go away in the foreign press. Then you have Todd Akins, Richard Mourdock, Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle to have as your first act. Not to mention the dysfunction of the GOP overall. We on the LEFT, sit back with the rest of the world to watch the circus and we laugh. Here is another reason we still laugh at you..

      They never saw it coming, BOOM!!…..Stinging defeat for GOP…. ‘we never saw it coming”…… They looked like they got hit by a cement truck. I love watching NBC, ABC, CBS, Univsion, Telemundo and Galavision and other outlets’ footage of those people at Romney headquarters in Boston on election night. They first looked perplexed and confused, then as results from state after state started coming in, concern and a little fear hit them, and hard. Then a freakout panic, then they recovered a bit. But for only a minute for a few minutes later a little sobbing started and then as if on cue right out frustration, anger and wailing out loud. They clutching each other, looking at each other with doom and disbelief in their tearful and crying eyes. More confused than ever, they just looked around as if looking for someone to come save them. Finally dispare, unbelievable dispare crawled onto and gripped their faces tight with contortions. Some sat with their faces in their laps other fell to their knees as if praying and crying out loud. Some screamed, NO, NO, NO!!! Some screamed, Oh my god!!, Oh my god!! Hilarious! I tell you, hilarious!!! I still go there to watch, it feels so good. The sports bar I go to plays it now and again just for the fun of it all. In all the pics of this montage there is not one person of colour sadly to say. There is Korean version that you can tell the commentators are doing everything they can to keep from laughing. Now we laugh some more…

    306. You must be trying to be a writer of short-story fiction?
      As for your focus on color, here is a question that obviously has not occurred to you: could the smaller number of “color” be due to a lack of desire on their part, rather than your assumption they are not invited?
      Ahh – but that raises more questions, not least of which is “Why?”. You do not want questions, as they interfere with your righteous assumptions – not to mention the truth might not be what you assume it is.
      BTW – if you would occasionally shift your focus a bit more “Left”, rather than “Right”, you will see (you gotta open your eyes to do this) every bit as many equivalent “fools” – though most of THESE are in office and already ruining your life.

    307. Aleuicius an atomist you are not. Perhaps in your mind it is a short fiction but, your pretzel of questions are put together in a type of knot that once you pull one of it’s end cords, it all falls apart. Try again and be more exacting in your questions. Lucriciuos, you are not.

    308. I am not a classic atomist of the Greek sort, but do believe in modern atomic physics. As one traveled a twisted course to become the other, you would have to be a bit more specific regarding “atomist”. As for Lucretius (I assume this is who you meant?), I am definitely not the insane – though I could accept the “genius”.
      I only asked three questions, the first of which was not truly serious. The other two are hardly of the “pretzel” variety – and how does one make “Why?” more exact?
      It seems almost obvious that you don’t WANT to ask – or have answered – such questions. Your avoidance (above) is worth saving.

    309. Save all you want, if your first question was not serious and instantly put you in the middle of the knot, why ask it? Are you just brainstorming or trying to make a point? You can answer in English, Russian or Spanish if it makes it easier for you.

    310. Visuals are the realm of an education process well advantaged during the ‘selling’ of National Socialism. (NAtionalZI in German). Now you give a hint of where the Left acquires their latest information? Sports Bars with overloading visuals from multiple screens?

      The only news sources factually acknowledged by the left, therefor ‘Circular Logic’ in substance, are their own. Moveon, Daily Kos. AP is their source for discussion, biased to feed the proletariat disinformation, on which it thrives.

      Prodigiously fed to the lower tiers of society, ‘The Ministry of Truth’ information is the exclusive realm of the Inner circle, pretenders need not apply.

      BTW Investments are rich rewarding, as the mentally disadvantaged (in historical knowledge), ‘challenged’ are naively led to the market. The ‘Rich’ are further enriched, by the programmed ignorance of the lowly masses….as the ‘gap’ predictably widens under National Socialism.

    311. First of all old geezer, National Socialism was born on the shoulders of the extreme RIGHT. Don’t forget that. It was about the pure society much like the T-Bagger movement wants. As for reading only Moveon, The Daily Kos or any AP affiliate is wrong. We also read, Congressional Quarterly, Roll Call, The Hill, The Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal, Le Monde, El Universal, The Guardian and Pravda and La Opinion. We don’t only get our news from the one source you do.. FOX NEWS.

      As for investments, some are clearly better than others. You must know your way around the system to take advantage of others who will lose for the others to win. And knowing when to be on what side is a skill not many people have.

    312. Romney wasn’t my first choice as the Republican pick, but I did vote for him over Obama. There is no comparison between the moral and ethical fiber between the two men. Romney is a good person that sincerely cares about other people. Obama cares about power and gain. I know you voted for power and gain.

    313. I voted twice for Barack Obama. I helped broker loans to organizations that supported Democratic Party candidates and especially the President. Those loans came from far and wide, all legal may I add.

    314. You can thank Carlos Slim for his generosity to left leaning groups in the US for the ‘loans’ made to many groups.

    315. I voted twice for Barack Obama. I helped broker loans to organizations that supported Democratic Party candidates and especially the President. Those loans came from far and wide, all legal may I add.

    316. I voted twice for Barack Obama. I helped broker loans to organizations that supported Democratic Party candidates and especially the President. Those loans came from far and wide, all legal may I add.

    317. * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in
      confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of
      anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address
      the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have
      no knowledge.)

    318. I so do agree. The RIGHT tried 45 times to defund the ACA. They might as well have beat their heads on the wall, they would have at least ended up in the hospital then a psych ward.

    319. Since you consider everyone that is not Latino to be your enemy; you hate them all; blah, blah, blah – you remind me of Tokyo Rose. Why don’t you take your treacherous, hate mongering self across the border to Mexico. All that you speak of is evil and vile. You have no love for your fellow man, you are a bigot, and a hater – you make disgusting attacks to everyone and apparently lump everyone but yourself as ignorant folk. I don’t know why you are still on here – I’m sure I’m not the only one who has ‘flagged’ your nasty self. You are just wasting time and air and actually degrade yourself and your reasoning. You probably aren’t even Latino, lol.

    320. I am here Debbie to do just why you have exhibited…. to get under your skin. You want to know about hate, just look at the T-Bagger rallies and how you’ve draped yourselves in the confederate flag, you stinking traitorous wench. The mere fact that you are associated to this rabidly extreme RIGHT minority of the RIGHT means you are the bigot and hater who we target. You remain the enemy and that the message going out loud and clear to Latino communities everywhere from a multitude of sources. We are winning this fight for minds and votes to counter you on the extreme RIGHT.

    321. Did I just read Duel’s comment correctly? I believe he said that someone was a “target”, I’m sure someone, somewhere would like to know this.

    322. “Someone, somewhere”? Nobody cares what you insurrectionists think. You advocate for an armed rebellion and call openly for the assassination of President Barack Obama and his family. How much more traitorous and terroristic can you get. You have become a threat to the national security of this New America, that you have been left behind in.

    323. A predictable demonstration of historical fact, comments from another of Joseph Stalin’s “Useful Idiots”, as they are led to their demise. With few ‘Productive’ elements left in their perceived utopian society of ‘Fairness and Equality’, they starve to death… in the dark.

      Of course the Inner Circle historically survives and thrives. Knowledge of where to invest, based on their own forthcoming legislation, mandating expenditure of resources by the proletariat, is a definite advantage.

    324. Duel, now you are just lying, you are saying things that I have never said nor advocated. As I read your hate filled and blatantly false posts, it only reinforces my opinion of people that hold your political beliefs. Very low, indeed!

    325. Duel, now you are just lying, you are saying things that I have never said nor advocated. As I read your hate filled and blatantly false posts, it only reinforces my opinion of people that hold your political beliefs. Very low, indeed!

    326. Think what you want, your beliefs mean nothing to me. I’m not here to be your friend but your enemy, for you remain my enemy.

    327. Just because a few have advocated for an armed rebellion and the assassination of barak and his family doesn’t mean we all think the same, you MORON!!! The only threat to this country is Dumbocrats and Libtards like yourself! FYI- there will NEVER be a new America the way you and your fraudulent president thinks he is going to have!!! Me and my comrades that fought for this country along with, MILLIONS of Americans will NOT allow barak or ANY other president run this country into the ground!! we will fight and we will prevail!!! and since you declared everyone on this post your “enemy”, guess what? your going down too!!!! Your day is coming PUNK!!!!

    328. To me you are no differences. You are the enemy of this country, you and your minority of people of the GOP. Without the GOP you cannot win a national election to pass legislation.

    329. I am here Debbie to do just “why” you have exhibited?
      What?? go back to school dummy! You talk about “hate” and the T-party rallies? I never heard one Person at a T- Party rally reference any American as being the “enemy”
      BUT YOU USED THE WORD “ENEMY” DESCRIBING OTHER AMERICANS IN MANY OF YOUR POSTS!! THATS NOT HATRED??? YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!! WHICH IN FACT, IS TYPICAL OF A DUMBOCRATIC LIBTARD!!!

    330. There you go! now your learning! I am always happy to help the slow and dimwitted!!
      Now that you finally got that correct, why don’t you go away and let us patriots get back to the task of taking back our country.

    331. So you concede this New America is no longer your America. That is why you feel a need to “take” it back. It will never happen. It belongs to us now.

    332. Hey duel it is going to be really funny watching you hop around like golum with his “Precious Obama” Have you signed up for your Bolshevik Freeloading Obama Crap Yet?

    333. You know you have been calling SS and Medicare Bolshevik programs. It does not surprise me that you call the ACA a socialist program too. I am one of those persons who will not have to subsidized with federal funds for my healthcare. You have called these programs and have been against them since their inception. Now try to pry them out of the hands of the American people. The RIGHT has given up calling them Bolshevik because the RIGHT would suffer a big backlash from much of it’s constituency that benefits from these programs. We shall overtake you from the inside of your own party.

    334. Divide and Conquer is not a communist tactic solely. The American government under certain administrations has done the same thing in our history. The Romans perfected the techniques. It is much older than you think. Cortez did it in Mexico and Pizaro in Peru. Where do you get off saying it was the Soviets?

    335. Duel: “Divide and Conquer is not a communist tactic solely.” You are splitting hairs. Of course Ancient civilizations used the tactic, but the communists perfected it. Where do I get off saying it was the Soviets? I didn’t specify the Soviets, I said it was a communist tactic. But since you mention the Soviets, they did use the technique.

    336. We do agree on this point… almost. As a strategy for defeating an enemy it is an effective concept. Personally I have never used it because I have no Brothers or Sisters.
      Actually this exchange was quite civil. Even socialists and constitutional purists can be civil when they try hard enough. Let’s try harder.

    337. I won’t commit to anything of the sort. I still believe you to be my enemy and my children’s enemy. That is the mindset they have grown up in and we are quite fine. Anyone that is associated to the racist organization called the T-Baggers are not my friend but my adversary and that would include you.

    338. There you go again!! What is difficult about a civil discussion? Exactly how am I your enemy when I believe in the inherent right of men to believe what they want to believe? We have two diametrically opposing beliefs.

      What you are advocating is a full-fledged socialist, communist, fascist system; or whatever brand of socialism you are peddling; and I am advocating freedom and liberty.

      My stand on self-defense is that if it becomes necessary to protect myself and the lives of my family from being killed in an attack, in the staging of a robbery, or another kind of violent act by you, or someone that believes as you do, and acts on that belief, the threat will end with an exchange of heavy lead.

      It will come to pass that your lead will find its mark, or my lead will find its mark. Either way either a patriot will live, or the person performing the criminal act will live. And if and when the time comes to take up arms against a criminal, that criminal will be someone like you who believes in force and power. I will do everything in my power to assure my safety, and your death.

      Mao said that, “Power comes from the barrel of a gun.” That is what you are advocating, and that is what you and your socialist friends wish to do; e.g., use violence to eliminate anyone who disagrees with your position.

      I hope everyone who defines themselves as liberal read what you are advocating. You have shattered the myth of the benevolent socialist. You have shown your true colors. Your race, color, or ancestry does not identify your intentions and the intentions of socialist such as yourself. Your color is “RED” and you are a budding totalitarian. I refuse to negotiate away my freedoms and liberties just to please you, any more than you are willing to allow me to live under a system that I wish to live in.

      The goal of totalitarians is the destruction of the Founder’s Constitution; what little is left of it, and the elimination of Americans who support it. It is a stand that is dangerous to the survival of humanity and civilizations.

      Thank you for supporting and proving the conservative point of view about the true intent of hard-line socialists. Most socialists and tyrants wont admit their true agenda. You have done a great service to anyone, who has the willingness to accept the fact that socialism is evil and destructive.

      You’ve done a great job doing this. Thank you for enlightening everyone about the true motives of the totalitarian mind.

    339. The line between a patriot and a insurrectionist is quite fine and only one of the two parties will be regarded here, will be able to claim the fallen one as the insurrectionist.

    340. I can accept that. Since you have in effect declared war on the constitution, I will make sure that your group will be the “insurrectionists’ as defined in by your standard. I’ll make sure of it if you ever darken my door.

    341. You have already asked this of me and I have answered you. Are you demented or have alzheimer’s? Get a grip. Not to unreal for you.

    342. Certain cultures really do know ‘Butts’. That is the part of the human anatomy with which they most associate life. Nationwide, like deep within the urban enclaves? Perpetually dependency addicted urban enclaves, that without the ‘Productive’ class, would not survive?

    343. Ah, the racist comes out for a moment to shine. “Nationwide, like deep within the urban enclaves?” Is that a question or a statement. Are you a valley girl or what? You don’t have to use the word, “like”, you silly little girl. Now put your stockings on before your legs get cold.

    344. Your convictions are surely rooted deep from those divine convictions you so believe as your right. Those same convictions you yearn to get back to…the ole’ South. Not going to happen.

    345. You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you lie, and attribute thoughts and motives to me that you have no clue about. I believe you are a very foolish person. Furthermore I believe you get paid to do what you are doing, I have no idea if it is by the word or by the post, but I do see your “kind” on most conservative leaning threads, and you and your “kind” are usually posting your idiotic remarks at a time when most people who actually contribute to society are at work.

    346. I have never worked for to collect a W-2 if that is what you mean. I am an investor in many ways and do quite well for myself and those in my family. All I hear from you is you believe this and you believe that..I don’t give a damn about what you believe. Like I said, I am not here to be your friend in any way.

    347. You know I don’t believe you are very smart, are you? In fact, you can’t even give a decent rebuttal to any arguments given on this post. You can call people names, make veiled threats, and …….., ummm, that’s about it, can’t think of anything else that you are any good at. I am glad you are not here to be my friend, because I am surely not yours.

    348. Again, the more you say, the more I am convinced that you and almost every progressive (socialists/communists) that I know of, are extremely disgusting representatives of humanity.

    349. We are like minded in that we are enemies to each other. I have had plenty of civil discourse with only a handful of people on this site, but as to the rest of you, you are all yahoos of one sort or another. Get lost if you don’t like what I have to say. You don’t however, you keep coming back for more. Go on now… moron.

    350. Not very smart at all. I would have never associated your idiotic ramblings, name calling, and threats, to be even remotely akin to a civil discourse. You are a troll plain and simple, placed here to derail the points of the storyline. I am only here to make sure everyone knows what you are. I enjoy doing this, as I am more intelligent than you. I can actually have a civil discourse if I want, but I can sink to your level if needed. I guess you are not on here now, I guess your shift is over.

    351. Do you know how to edit your posts? Please do so for they don’t make much sense. You’ve left out words and letters throughout and your use of punctuation sucks. What you presume or what you think does not matter to me one bit. I am here to stuff down your throat just how bad you lost an electon that under the certain economic circumstances you should have won by a landslide but, that did not happen. Why do you think that is? I don’t care if you want to have a civil discourse or not or if you want to scream from the fog of gut wind that surrounds you as you spout your garbage from the RIGHT. DECAY is the only thing that can describe the conservative movement in this country. And our intent is to shepherd that change faster and faster. Our voices are loud and clear to Spanish and Chinese language press and media as we decimate your policies and political platform for these people. We have a tight coalition so tightly packed unlike the RIGHT that is about to have an intra-tribal war. Already, the GOP House has used a new coalition to form a new majority to keep the government from coming to a grinding halt as the extreme RIGHT wants. That coalition was formed by the minority party in the House and the moderate conservatives. The extreme RIGHT has been left out.

    352. You are a funny, but not very bright. I don’t care who lost or won an election, you fool. I am only here to point out a troll.

    353. “You are a funny, but not very bright.” What exactly are you trying to say here? Did you leave out a few words? Put the bourbon down for a moment and concentrate just a bit.

    354. I’ve been accused of that by many of your here. Rand Paul is about to go ballistic when he hears Tuesday morning the new revelations about his speech writing going back a very long time. The machine is working overtime on this deep and rich source of material that will send the RIGHT spinning aimlessly. Even more aimlessly than they already are, if you can imagine that.

    355. Your convictions are surely rooted deep from those divine convictions you so believe as your right. Those same convictions you yearn to get back to…the ole’ South. Not going to happen.

    356. Is the word ‘Racist’ in your F1 or programmed further along? Most Liberals have it in F1. Fast to use, saves spelling it out. ‘Tea Bagger’ is another that requires a function key. Way too long to type without a hassle. Perpetually Dependency addicted. Now that is a long description. Covers so much of society today, from lifetime addiction to drugs, or welfare, the results are always the same. ‘The Great Society’ was their savior. Productivity of any nature is a foreign element to the Leftists..Elite included.

    357. You live in the Great Society and the New Deal America. Wake up. If you believe in the Veteran’s Administration, SS or Medicare, you are complicit in that socialist way of life. What about this do you not understand? Tell me this. Do you think your candidates would run a campaign to abolish these programs even though all of you on the RIGHT call them Bolshevik? I don’t think so because of one word…FEAR. They fear the backlash of just mentioning the abolishment of such programs. Your America as you want it to be died with Republican Herbert Hoover. Send your complaints to the Hoover Institute for them to eat.

    358. You live in the Great Society and the New Deal America. Wake up. If you believe in the Veteran’s Administration, SS or Medicare, you are complicit in that socialist way of life. What about this do you not understand? Tell me this. Do you think your candidates would run a campaign to abolish these programs even though all of you on the RIGHT call them Bolshevik? I don’t think so because of one word…FEAR. They fear the backlash of just mentioning the abolishment of such programs. Your America as you want it to be died with Republican Herbert Hoover. Send your complaints to the Hoover Institute for them to eat.

    359. Duel, do you think you can make a valid, intelligent, debate on the issue? Or, do you believe your typical “Left/Liberal” name calling, and false insinuations are an intelligent comment?

    360. Gordon: “Duel” believes in name calling, false insinuation, divide and conquer, ridicule of his perceived opponents and all the rest of “Rules for Radicals.

      Valid, intelligent, debate on any issue is rendered inert by an alteration in his DNA.

    361. I honestly think Duel is getting paid to be on these threads and derail the main points of the storyline, by getting everyone to comment on his insane ramblings and name calling.Simply put, he is a Troll. If you will notice on these Right leaning threads, there is always some liberal Troll that posts incessantly for some time, then they are gone and another liberal Troll takes over, where the other left off. Also have noticed on some occasions that one Troll will post throughout the whole thread, it varies by time of day and how long the posting on certain threads last. Think about it..

    362. You are correct, but it is fun to make him work for the money the leftists are paying him. When “Duel” tells us to go away, he is forgetting where he writing his drivel. He is commenting on “The Tea Party News Network.” I have written responses on left wing blogs; very politely, not at all like “Duel” does; in an attempt to express my opinion.

      The comment appears for a short time and then it is edited out of the conversation. In one way it is good for The Tea Party blog to allow traitors to speak their mind. On the other hand their rhetoric is disruptive and counterproductive as far as the issues are concerned. There isn’t one liberal blog that allows us the same opportunity to speak out, like conservative sites allow America’s enemies to try to advance their radical socialist propaganda.

      The good thing that comes from allowing our enemies to spew their venom, is the hope people will listen, and see the dangers of leftist ideology. Then again, maybe it isn’t worth allowing them on this site and others like it. It is very disruptive and it is one of the tactics of “Saul the Great.”

    363. Deadi: Have you noticed it is into the the sixth day and “Duel” hasn’t denied he is on the progressive payroll?

    364. I am not here to change your mind on anything. I am here to tell you that you lost the presidential election now twice to a Black man in an economic condition that said the election was for you to win and for us to lose. I will stuff that crow down your craw as deep as I can, feathers and all. I am not here for you to like me, to be popular among this group of haters. No, I am here to get under your skin that a Black man sits in the White House and make your skin crawl.

    365. Duel – where we in the conservative and Tea Party movements differ from you and yours is that we recognize that our side lost two elections to a man who happens also to have black skin, whom we deemed was not the better choice to govern our nation. Apparently you belong to a massive group who voted for the black skin first, caring nothing about whether or not he was capable of doing the job. You might be forgiven for such a racialist motivation in 2008, but there is no excuse for it in 2012, when the evidence of his incompetence was already overwhelming.

      You may have “won”, but WE were correct. I hope you are enjoying your pyrrhic victory.

    366. Duel – where we in the conservative and Tea Party movements differ from you and yours is that we recognize that our side lost two elections to a man who happens also to have black skin, whom we deemed was not the better choice to govern our nation. Apparently you belong to a massive group who voted for the black skin first, caring nothing about whether or not he was capable of doing the job. You might be forgiven for such a racialist motivation in 2008, but there is no excuse for it in 2012, when the evidence of his incompetence was already overwhelming.

      You may have “won”, but WE were correct. I hope you are enjoying your pyrrhic victory.

    367. I belong to a group of people that form a cohesive coalition that brought to power Barack Obama twice. With the coming of the T-Baggers, you lost the minority vote. All the minority vote, the Blacks, the Latinos and incredibly you lost the Asian vote by even a greater percentage than you lost the Latino vote. You lost the majority of women and the complete youth vote. That coalition remains strong and effective and ready for the coming onslaught that 2016 will be. We as Americans love to make history and with Hillary Clinton running and the outcome being that we would have two Presidents in the White House is too much of a temptation to not vote for that historic event. You have a very steep slope to climb to match those credentials and come 2020, your chances become even more and more remote that you will ever win a presidential election again. You are our enemy. We Latinos will always consider the RIGHT our enemy. That is what we broadcast loud and clear to our communities. Again, you have a very steep slope to climb to gain this voting block in any significant numbers. I am enjoying it, yes. If only because it has gotten so deep under your skin and makes your skin crawl to have a Black man as your President. You remain the enemy.

    368. Who’s the Idiot? not one like for your comment but, 18 dislikes and counting. It’s people like you that are helping to destroy our great nation!!

    369. “not one like you for comment but,” What the fuck does that mean? 18 dislikes? Look Daisy, I’m not here for a popularity contest. I’m here to stuff down your throat the fact that you lost two elections to a Black man and stuff feathers and all down your craw..

      There is one word that comes to mind when I think of conservatives……DECAY.

    370. From reading some of your comments it seems to me you are quite the hypocrite, and also a dumbass. your president is fraud and should not even be in office! the only reason he is in office is because of voter fraud.
      keep supporting this traitor!!!

    371. Instead of Bigboyrd, you should be called BirdBrain. “it seems to me you are a”… I don’t care what you seem to anything. Aside from being my President he is your President too if you have an American citizenship. If you don’t want that, you can give up your citizenship and solve your problem that way. You can move to Canada, oh but Canada is truly a socialist country…..OMG, it’s like China.

    372. The bottom line is, you are part of the problem in this country! Idiots like you should be rounded up and sent to a deserted Island far away from the United states. Also, I do not consider a Non-American born man who was fraudulently elected into office as the president of the United States a representative of me. I DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS P.O.S that you call president. Your just a dumbass who keeps voting for anyone who will pay your way through life. I’ll bet your unemployed by choice, collecting food stamps and have a free Obama cell phone to boot!

    373. Like I said BirdBrain, he is your president whether you like it or not. Whether you voted for him or not. What you have to say no longer matters, for you have lost these last two elections. Call Barack what you’d like but he is still YOUR President if you are a citizen of this country the New America and the good ole’ US of A. All I hear from you is, “I do not consider”, “I think” and “I’ll bet”. You are no one and if you would have taken the time to read the rest of my posts you would not have posted the rest of your stupidity on this site. By the way…edit your crap before posting it, It will make much more sense. Now boot your pie hole right out of here boy!!

    374. Duel, what does that stand for?
      Dumb
      Uneducated
      Easily
      Lured
      I have read your posts, YOU ARE AN IDIOT! PERIOD!!!
      Now, go drink some Kool aid !!!

    375. You are much to smart for me BirdBrain. Go on now and pout as you write your rhymes and BirdBrain verses. You sound like Glenn Beck. Get out!

    376. Hey Dumbass duel, Here is “YOUR” president! WOW! What a great job he’s doing! NOT!!!!
      Oh’ blame the republicans! That’s all you Dumbocrats and Libtards can do is place blame elsewhere.

    377. Ah, a source from the House of ill repute.. the Heritage Foundation. Keep your sources, they mean nothing to us. The Heritage Foundation is like the John Birch Society. No difference.

    378. From reading some of your comments it seems to me you are quite the hypocrite, and also a dumbass. your president is fraud and should not even be in office! the only reason he is in office is because of voter fraud.
      keep supporting this traitor!!!

    379. Pretty soon your butt will be a joke,when your usefulness as an idiot has expired you will be kicked to the curb and it gets kicked everyday of your life.

    380. That is exactly how you feel after losing two elections to a Black man. Look closely in the mirror and you will see that person you described.

    381. If you travel outside the South, you’d know that your are indeed the butt of continuous ridicule. Get out and take a look around.

    382. We are already bound to U.N. Treaties, signed onto by treasonous American politicians. We have a frightening number of traitors sitting and working on Capital Hill and have people in appointed positions; e.g., Bureaucrats; who are working every day to solidify a “New World Order.”

    383. no we are not bound by any UN treaty, not one and the UN has to leave US soil, The UN, NATO, the IMF, the World Bank, the International Bank of Settlement,NAFTA, the WTO and GATT before the WTO have no binding on the US, the states and especially the people because US government agreements to the above foreign associations was never constitutional in the first place.

    384. Duell simply hasn’t the knowledge, nor the inclination to get it, required for reasoned debate and must resort to the name-calling default of the ignorant.
      While I am personally in agreement with Margaret’s claim, I have doubts about “Americans” – in particular, witness the numbers of “Duell”s out there.
      They take a superficial glance at (history, government, economics, slavery, et al), latch onto a small negative aspect, then insist the entire nation change tack because of it.
      In a subject (all of the above) where even the entire population of true “experts” – combined – is only ‘probably mostly right’, we have a multitude of nit-pickers focusing on a single nit (and generally wrong, to boot) and VOTING.

  6. The Constitution is the “supreme Law of the Land.” It is controlling as to all officials of the three Branches of the Federal government–Executive, Legislative and Judicial–with regard to all of their pronouncements, actions, decisions, agreements and legislative Acts. Each of them is sworn, by oath of office, to support the Constitution only. To be valid, any treaty must be strictly in conformity to–free from any conflict with–the Constitution. A treaty is like a Federal law in this respect.The Constitution is supreme over laws and treaties; it expressly states (Article VI, Section 2) that: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land . . .” This means that any such Law (Act of Congress) which violates the Constitution is automatically made null and void to start with–nullified by the Constitution itself–and therefore cannot be a part of the “supreme Law of the Land.” This is also true as to treaties.

    The purpose of constitutionally limiting government in America is defeated to the extent that Federal officials fail to respect invariably the limits imposed upon their power by the entire Constitution–including its subordinate (not independent) Treaty Clause–construed in keeping with the original and controlling intent of those who framed and adopted the initial instrument and later each amendment. Sometime support of the Constitution is the equivalent of no support, from the standpoint of this “supreme Law of the Land” as well as of the oath of office and of sound morality.

    It merits emphasis that any violation of the Constitution so as to accomplish an unauthorized purpose–for example, granting relief to such foreign refugees being sheltered within the United States, or perhaps within their own country, or by way of aid to any foreign country in any form whatever which is not directly related to the actual military defense of the American homeland, as explained previously–can never alter in the least the constitutional situation with regard to the power granted to Congress. Such an act of usurpation, or even a great number of successive acts of usurpation, can never increase the power of Congress–can never change, or impair, or destroy, the limits on its power as prescribed by the sovereign people in the Constitution. The power of Congress, as so limited, remains unchanged unless and until increased by the people only by amendment of the Constitution. Any act of usurpation produces zero increase in power; and many acts of usurpation still produce zero increase. Many times zero equals zero.

    No precedent, no quantity of precedents, by way of actions of government, can alter the Constitution. As Madison remarked in 1831 (letter to N. P. Trist), there was a fallacy prevalent “in confounding a question whether precedents could expound a Constitution, with a question whether they could alter a Const.” (Madison’s abbreviation.) He correctly concluded, of course, that such precedents could help to expound (clarify), but not to alter, this fundamental law.
    by Hamilton Abert Long

    1. Thank you I couldn’t say it word for word as my copy of the Constitution wasn’t handy. Keep putting this out there. Just because someone with an agenda says it is so doesn’t make it so. The people need to be reminded of this.

    2. Jon thanks for the information, I had this site at one time but my computer went down and I lost it. Thanks again.

    3. Yes, Jon and Joecr, that was certainly the intent, but since they never codified it by actually adding those stipulations to the Constitution, no one is actually bound by them, and that’s the rub. There is so much that was implied but never codified, and which now needs to be added via Amendment, in order to restore our Constitution to its Founders’ intent. In a world where a shyster can parse the meaning of the word “is”, and get away with it, NOTHING can be left to interpretation.

    4. Whew!! Need to digest those at leisure. I have a sizeable collection of my own; it will be interesting to see how yours differs. Thanks for the link.

  7. Their going to try any way they can to disarm us. Just don’t think for a minute the republicans are completely on our side either. Those in power DO fear the masses.

  8. THERE IS NO WAY THE UN TRUMPS THE US CONSTITUTION, EXCEPT IN THE MIND OF A LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST COMMUNIST, WHICH WE SEEM TO HAVE RUNNING RAMPEDE IN OUR GOVERNMENT FROM THE HIGHEST LEVEL TO THE LOWEST LEVEL.

  9. Let the blue hats come, as they will if these very dangerous people continue on this course of “fundamental change”. The fact that this is even being considered is TREASON, and should be dealt with as such. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER IT IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT. The UN thinks taking guns away in third world nation is tough wait until they come to WE THE PEOPLE and play in OUR sand box!!

    1. One of the Japanese options early in WWII was to attack the US mainland, they didn’t for the following reason. Admiral Yamamoto who had spent some time here, advised them that the military were the least of their worries or problems, he told them that behind every blade of grass there would be an armed American citizen, and that they could not win. End result they never physically landed here.

    2. I remember as a child my father saying that the UN was a useless institution and should have never been formed. He also told us that we should start being worried when all the politicians and banks decided we should have a ‘world’ money value etc; – like the Euro. (and many other things). Also, I think we should pray for all of our leaders right now that they would make the ‘right’ choices and not continue to lead us down this path

  10. This way he can use UN troops to enforce the restrictions that they want in place.
    No weapons for the civilians.
    the democratic creed

  11. A treaty does supersede the U.S. constitution according to the stupid case Missouri vs. Holland. A case from the twenties about migratory birds. It’s time to start getting our “stuff” together, before nothing’s left
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    1. But the senate has to vote the treaty in followed by the house, but both bodies have said they will not sign off on it.

    2. No so. Only the Senate must approve by a 2/3 majority. Thankfully, we don’t yet have that many stupid Democrats in the Senate, but fear not – we do seem to have a plethora of stupid Republicans to help them get to that magic 67.

    3. Actually the house has to vote on it as well, BUT, historically it rubber stamped the senate up or down vote. This time the house said it would not support it. And yes your right about the rino’s in the senate.

    4. The House might need to fund it, but a House vote is not needed to ratify a treaty, or have it go into effect if no funding is needed.

    5. I’m sorry, Jon, but you are incorrect. Treaties must ONLY be approved by the Senate, as set forth in Article 2, Section 2, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution:

      “He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;……”

    6. No, I am not incorrect if you can understand the English language well enough to actually read what I wrote. The Senate alone ratifies treaties, but it can’t alone enact spending provisions that might be required to implement it, and if it contained any spending requirements, ratification by the Senate would not suffice for those provisions. All revenue bills must originate in the House, and be enacted by Congress as a whole, and that includes appropriating money for implementation. There are many treaties for which no funding was enacted and which were made dead letters by that.

  12. I’m very burned out on this crap, and the Constitution
    the best thing on the Planet will be backed 100%

  13. Obama and his AG, Eric Holder have turned out to be liars and the 2 greatest threats to the U.S. constitution to ever hold high office.
    No UN treaty can take priority to the foundation of our democratic republic. Thus is just another reason that the U.S. should quit the UN and move it out of our country!

  14. As usual he lies. Any treaty must be rarified by the congress or it is non-binding. No treaty can be binding without the consent of the people or their representives.

    1. I regretfully disagree with you Nancy. I wish you were right. But, any treaty must be ratified by 2/3 vote of the Senate – not by Congress nor by the consent of the people. Article ll, Section 2, Clause 2

    2. You are right on the partiiculars, but the Senators are our representives and should be listening to US before ratifing anything that will subjugate US to a body as corrupt as the UN.

    3. You are so right. Do you know how depressing it is to live in a state where the Senators will vote for anything along straight party lines, no matter how detrimental to the nation nor opposed by their constituencies?

      I live in Michigan.

      All the more disheartening when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, as both are poseurs who never fail to claim they support gun rights.

  15. When you really, really try to illegally erase the Constitution, you will find millions of people to include myself legally remove you all from office and prosecute you all as traitors. The Constitution only gives one punishment for being guilty. That is execution. I will throw the switch, hang you, shoot you, put the needle in your arm or any other legal way. I will not do this illegally but will do it legally with great pleasure.

  16. Evidently holder doesn’t understand that the U.S. came into being over 100 years BEFORE the UN came into being.

    Since the U.S. Constitution PREDATES the UN Charter by over 100 years, it is a no brainer that the U.S. Constitution trumps the UN Charter.

  17. Getting real close to what these idiots are pushing for, and all the bureaucrats that are armed will be fair game when they do not support our Constitution and there are your neighbors that will support the socialist way also. They will all have to be treated the same, no quarter given. And who cares about the Hague convention.

  18. Patriotism is soon if not already illegal, that will come to pass along with papers to move from State to State and County to County. These traitors will only be happy when they have full totalitarian control over the American citizens, they already have control over the majority of their voting base due to welfare and allowing those on welfare to vote in the name of Equality. What a crock, Americans used to have to be land owners and pay taxes to vote, now you don’t have to be a citizen let alone speak English. Yes, call me a bigot a proud American BIGOT and damn all illegals and socialist believing so called Americans that have not earned that right except by birth.

  19. Mr Obama should read the thoughts of Japanese Admiral Yamatoto when he shared his thoughts on invading the United States. And that was in 1942. There are many more guns here now! Please respect our countrymen.

  20. We need to have the Supreme Court justices be all liberal in their thought. Maybe some one should take out at least Thomas and Scalia before Barack Obama leaves office. I sure hope someone does. We can then move forward with reversing everything they have done in the last 15 years.

    1. So, your goal is to become a slave to a corrupt government? Without rights and freedom, you are nothing but a slave. This statement shows you know nothing of human nature and don’t care about the future for your children and their children (if they are even given permission to procreate).

    2. The children of my children will or have had children. What are you talking about? The only slave wanting people are you in the T-Bagger movement. You yearn for the days of old, when you could just for show lynch a black man in front of his family with impunity. That is the slave mongering people that you are but, be aware that a New America has dawned while you were sleeping and you have been left behind.

    3. So, actually, you are saying you want to be a slave, you know nothing about the Tea Party movement and you are a racist. My black friends are the most intelligent people I know. They are conservatives like me. They are not the victims you try to make them. I have watched while your liberals have imprisoned them, degraded them and destroyed their families all in the name of social services. These were a proud, strong people. Since the democrats were unable to stop the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, they found another way to keep the black man down. You are the one that is still sleeping as the county we once knew, the one people dreamed of coming to for opportunity, is being destroyed from within.

    4. For all I know, you don’t know anyone who is Black. You forget you are on the internet, a very anonymous place. I never said the T-Baggers did not have a handful of minorities but that it is only a handful of minorities. The odds that you would appeal to the vast number of Blacks after what you and yours have done to our first Black President are slim if any. The same goes for Latino people as it does for the peoples of Asia. Two books for you to read to help you understand why the people of Latino descendants will never be aligned with the conservative moment as it is in the US. It is called the Burden of Support. The second book explains why the people of Asia would not likely align with the conservative party platform as was evidenced in the last two elections, is called the Fortune Cookie Chronicles. Asians by the way voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama and Democratic Party candidates in 2008 and 2012. Without these vastly large number of new voters, you don’t stand a chance. As each year passes, your struggle to survive becomes more and more difficult. There is only one word to describe the GOP or conservative movement in our New America and that is DECAY.

    5. I have never threatened the life of the President of the United States or his family or anyone for that matter!!! I do not put myself above any other, I do not use vulgarity and, unlike you, I try to use respect when dealing with people of differing opinions. It is you who has threatened the life of our country!

    6. You have indeed made those explicit threats, I was not the only one that noticed and have taken action. You are a threat to our national security and certainly the life of our President and his family. Again, it has not gone unnoticed.

    7. You have indeed made those explicit threats, I was not the only one that noticed and have taken action. You are a threat to our national security and certainly the life of our President and his family. Again, it has not gone unnoticed.

    8. I have never threatened the life of the President of the United States or his family or anyone for that matter!!! I do not put myself above any other, I do not use vulgarity and, unlike you, I try to use respect when dealing with people of differing opinions. It is you who has threatened the life of our country!

  21. What we have is a bunch of socialist running this country. They continue to throw a bunch of marbles (issues and controversies- created crisis) out at the public while behind the scenes they are quietly moving their radical agenda of “fundamentally changing America” into the socialist, big government controlled country under POTUS and the Democrats! Under the radar of Congress and the people unless something leaks or exposes what they are doing. Sometimes I think they leak one thing so they can get more done on something worse! Do have to wonder, do any of the dumb Democrats sitting in the Senate and House really believe they will continue to be in favor with POTUS once he has taken all the power away from the other two branches of the Government and put it all under his control? They should wake up, pay attention to how fast he turns on the big donors if they dare speak up against him, how he calls business owners into the WH to tell them shut-up or else! Stupid is as stupid does…Reid and Pelosi expects power but they will be puppets !

  22. If the United Nations is an NGO; “non-governmental organization;” how is it even remotely possible that the United States can enter into a treaty with it as a governmental entity? Ans: The term non-governmental organization” is a smokescreen as far as the United Nations is concerned. The U.N. Charter is a plan for a system of government, a communist government, but a government never the less. It was meant to be from the start.

    The first time a U.N. type “NGO” was attempted was when Woodrow Wilson attempted to get us involved in the League of Nations. The concept of “World Government;” or a “New World Order;” has been in the works for a long time.

    The concept that an organization housed in a building on the Hudson River is representative of a nation is absurd, but the progressives and World socialists in the top layer of a “secret cabal” of super wealthy people are manipulating governments all over the World into accepting and embracing the idea of “World Government.”

    United Nations Treaties are one of the tools that this “secret cabal” sponsors to rob Nations of their sovereignty, rights and liberties. When the individuals in the Executive Branch tell us that U.N. Treaties “TRUMP” our constitution, we are allowing merciless tyrants to give away “The Peoples” freedoms, just like our Nation would be taken-over by a foreign power by invading our territory. The difference between a physical invasion, versus political subterfuge, end up with a takeover that is just as deadly. Our rights are given away by traitors from within, and that is the intent and purpose of ALL U.N. Treaties, not just the attack on the Second Amendment.

    What we need to do to stop the U.N.N.W.O. takeover of America is for those who realize that the U.N. is rotten to the core, and spread the word about its true intentions. Unfortunately there is a major learning curve for people to be able to explain the tremendous threat posed by the U.N. To fight it, we have to know it inside-out. We have to know it so well because the supporters of the U.N. are master’s of deceit. Their methodology is financed by those aforementioned, “super wealthy” individuals who control the inner-workings of our government an almost every other government on Earth.

    Besides luring Nations into signing treaties that rob nations of their sovereignty, these internationalist criminals control the World money supply. Almost every Nation; maybe with the exception of Switzerland; have similar “State Banks;” like our “Federal Reserve Bank;” which bury Nations in enormous debt and use that power to gain power and influence over those respective nations.

    We are in a serious trap. Our rights, liberties, freedoms and sovereignty, are being sold to a “New World Order” that is very real. The only thing that can take it down is exposing it to the light of day. It is a conspiracy that cannot withstand exposure.

    The John Birch Society has been studying the U.N. for years and has amassed the greatest amount of information to expose it. Check out the information, arm yourselves with the facts and tell your friends about it. Understanding the threats to our country, is the only way we can restore our Constitutional Republic.

  23. To clam this as true, is a Violation of Obama’s original Oath of Office and not the wecomd secret one he rewrote himself. Nothing TRUMPS OUR CONSTITUTION ! We are ma SOVERIEGN NATION. T0 Claim otherwise is TREASON! ~Riock <Magee, FL "MOLON LABE"

    1. It’s that other nebulous clause: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” (Article 6, Par. 2).

      This would seem to indicate that treaties which have been ratified by the Senate, presumably by the will of the People, do become incorporated by reference as the Supreme Law of the Land.

      If Senator Paul wants to introduce Amendments, he should introduce one which strictly forbids ratification of any treaty which attempts to supercede, circumvent, or supplant the guarantees of the Constitution to the American people.

    2. It’s that other nebulous clause: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” (Article 6, Par. 2).

      This would seem to indicate that treaties which have been ratified by the Senate, presumably by the will of the People, do become incorporated by reference as the Supreme Law of the Land.

      If Senator Paul wants to introduce Amendments, he should introduce one which strictly forbids ratification of any treaty which attempts to supercede, circumvent, or supplant the guarantees of the Constitution to the American people.

    1. An infinite number; the only thing the cowards in Congress worry about is the next election, and have convinced themselves that they can permit any transgressions now because they WILL prevail come the next voting cycle; and besides, anything he gets away with now is fair game for them when the wheel turns.

      Hence their now being conveniently convinced that Ted Cruz, a Canadian citizen at birth in addition to being a citizen of both Cuba and America is “natural-born” – a bigger laugh than anything Obama ever claimed regarding his own eligibility. Question: did Cruz’s mommy ever actually CLAIM his US citizenship? It’s not automatically conferred – it has to be actively claimed at the State Dept, in which case it is classed as “naturalized” citizenship. Did Cruz’s daddy renounce Ted’s Cuban citizenship when he took his own oath to the US?

      A little hint for all: if your status as an American citizen is not self-evident by virtue of your place of birth and your parents’ citizenship at the time of your birth, if you or your parents have to do ANYTHING to legally clarify your status as an American citizen by birth, you logically CANNOT be considered “natural-born”, and that includes anyone who has at any time in his adult life claimed to be a citizen of another nation or power, AND anyone whose parent(s) thought it would be a good idea to let him (or her) become a citizen of another country while still a minor.

      Yeah, I know Cruz is the TP’s fair-haired child right now, but he is no more eligible to claim natural-born status than the Indonesian who has currently usurped the office. Who will we turn a blind eye to next? Schwarzenegger? Jennifer Granholm? The Sinaloa brats who were born here in 2011? I’ll admit that’s still 33 years off, but by the logic being currently promulgated by the groups like the TP who claim to be staunch Constitutionalists, those kids are also eligible, as are the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of little Asian benefits babies, calved here for the citizenship and then taken back to China, Russia, Korea, or whereever to be raised as one of their youth with their values and those loyalties.

      The Constitution is not something to be selectively enforced, depending on whether or not it is your guy seeking power – it applies to all, at all times, or it means NOTHING.

      Keep that in mind while you’re cheering for Cruz. He could do more for this nation by publicly taking himself out of the presidential arena with a speech describing in detail why he is not eligible. In contrast, if Cruz continues on the path he is on, he can only harm our country and destroy our Constitution further.

    2. An infinite number; the only thing the cowards in Congress worry about is the next election, and have convinced themselves that they can permit any transgressions now because they WILL prevail come the next voting cycle; and besides, anything he gets away with now is fair game for them when the wheel turns.

      Hence their now being conveniently convinced that Ted Cruz, a Canadian citizen at birth in addition to being a citizen of both Cuba and America is “natural-born” – a bigger laugh than anything Obama ever claimed regarding his own eligibility. Question: did Cruz’s mommy ever actually CLAIM his US citizenship? It’s not automatically conferred – it has to be actively claimed at the State Dept, in which case it is classed as “naturalized” citizenship. Did Cruz’s daddy renounce Ted’s Cuban citizenship when he took his own oath to the US?

      A little hint for all: if your status as an American citizen is not self-evident by virtue of your place of birth and your parents’ citizenship at the time of your birth, if you or your parents have to do ANYTHING to legally clarify your status as an American citizen by birth, you logically CANNOT be considered “natural-born”, and that includes anyone who has at any time in his adult life claimed to be a citizen of another nation or power, AND anyone whose parent(s) thought it would be a good idea to let him (or her) become a citizen of another country while still a minor.

      Yeah, I know Cruz is the TP’s fair-haired child right now, but he is no more eligible to claim natural-born status than the Indonesian who has currently usurped the office. Who will we turn a blind eye to next? Schwarzenegger? Jennifer Granholm? The Sinaloa brats who were born here in 2011? I’ll admit that’s still 33 years off, but by the logic being currently promulgated by the groups like the TP who claim to be staunch Constitutionalists, those kids are also eligible, as are the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of little Asian benefits babies, calved here for the citizenship and then taken back to China, Russia, Korea, or whereever to be raised as one of their youth with their values and those loyalties.

      The Constitution is not something to be selectively enforced, depending on whether or not it is your guy seeking power – it applies to all, at all times, or it means NOTHING.

      Keep that in mind while you’re cheering for Cruz. He could do more for this nation by publicly taking himself out of the presidential arena with a speech describing in detail why he is not eligible. In contrast, if Cruz continues on the path he is on, he can only harm our country and destroy our Constitution further.

  24. Be assured that China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran are not signatories of this idiotic, farcical treaty.

    Do tell me again that the brat and his trolls do not wish to hamstring and neuter the US, cause their actions indicate otherwise.

  25. This administration has things backwards, American’s have Constitutional Right’s and the taliban are tried as War Criminals, not the other way around…Smart people are so dumb…

  26. The intent of the UN Arms Trade Treaty is to keep control of all arms in the hands of governments. If individuals cannot buy guns, there can never be another “Revolution” anywhere in the world, without the support of some outside government. How rare is that in the beginning?

    Governments often support a revolution in its later stages, but how can it ever start without guns in the hands of individuals?

    The UN is not an organization which supports individual rights, no matter its high-minded rhetoric. It’s an organization comprised mostly of petty tyrants and dictators, who have no intention of allowing “freedom” in the countries they rule. This is their vehicle to “One World Government” with them in charge at the local level.

    Eliminate the UN and we’d all be much better off…

  27. People don’t seem to understand this would in effect constitute high treason against the Constitution and the Country as a nation and also at the same time NULLIFY the Federal Governments authority domestically for which it can constitutionally do. In simplistic form it makes the Federal Government Subserviant to the UNITED NATIONS! This in effect means the United Nations is a domestic enemy and a foreign one too against our constitution. If the government backs this UN threat to a Soverign Nations ability to enforce its own constitution we have the grounds for Civil War against those who would back this usurpation of our government.

  28. If these fools think that patriotic American citizens will fall lockstep with this they had better quit drinking the kool- aid this idiot in the WH is pushing. I think that they will start a civil war that they will not like or be able to stop. Even with his private security force from dhs and all the rest of the agencies that now have swat teams and who knows what other groups that he thinks will be on his side.
    Pray for the best but prepare for the worst.

  29. IF Obama even tries to violate our constitution, he MUST be impeached, his sole job is upholding the constitution.

  30. Not sure where this falls into this, but Walmart in now selling Russian made bullets, TulAmmo. I jut purchased them yesterday at my local Walmart in Colorado.

    1. I think they are buying from wherever they can in order to provide for their customers. We have had to watch and see when the stores get ammo. I can remember not that long ago that ‘survivalists’ that lived off the grid in the mountains here in Arkansas and other states were weirdos – now there are preppers everywhere.

  31. All the more reason for our Senate to NEVER approve anything these traitors sign off on. Bad enough the bustard is implementing by executive order and/or administrative fiat certain treaties previous Senates have refused to ratify; with this mindset, he is just as likely to completely cede our sovereignty to the UN and get them to approve completely supplanting our Constitution with their One World initiatives.

  32. All the more reason for our Senate to NEVER approve anything these traitors sign off on. Bad enough the bustard is implementing by executive order and/or administrative fiat certain treaties previous Senates have refused to ratify; with this mindset, he is just as likely to completely cede our sovereignty to the UN and get them to approve completely supplanting our Constitution with their One World initiatives.

  33. Well, I really think that most people should actually READ the United Nations Treaty we signed in 1946. Prior to that, read the Leauge Of Nations. Everyone needs to be informed with all information. Not just bits and pieces from Government and this web site. Take the time and become informed before alarmed, because otherwise your mind will be shut to facts

    1. Why should anybody go back and read something about the original treaty from 1946. Nobody in this present administration has ever paid any attention to anything that even slightly pertains to history.

    2. I do not agree with the UN in 99% of what they do. But Robert Haight is correct. You should actually read the documents we as a Nation allowed to be signed. Much like the ACA SHOULD HAVE BEEN READ. Knowledge is POWER – with that knowledge you have limited Power to debate and dialog ….. Note I did not say you had to AGREE with the UN/LoN that documents that were signed … just that you have complete context and thus knows when TRUTH and FALSE are being stated. Much like: Is Congress EXEMPT from Obama Care? NO, and that is still going around as “fact” — What they do have is an agreement that “We the People will pay 70% of the cost of it for them!

    3. well we the people didn’t even get the chance to read what was in the ACA before it was thrust upon us. Like that lil rat polosi say we must pass the law before we know what in it the dems knew exactly what was in it.

    4. Why should anybody go back and read something about the original treaty from 1946. Nobody in this present administration has ever paid any attention to anything that even slightly pertains to history.

  34. Well, I really think that most people should actually READ the United Nations Treaty we signed in 1946. Prior to that, read the Leauge Of Nations. Everyone needs to be informed with all information. Not just bits and pieces from Government and this web site. Take the time and become informed before alarmed, because otherwise your mind will be shut to facts

  35. Any treaty that threatens the U.S. Constitution should not even be considered. Write your Congressmen, tell them NO!

  36. Any treaty that threatens the U.S. Constitution should not even be considered. Write your Congressmen, tell them NO!

  37. This is exactly why Obama said, “The founding fathers are keeping me from doing the things I want to do.” He wasn’t raised in America, he spent his childhood in Indonesia, brought up in the Islamic religions, and has no concept of what a great country America is as it is. He just wants to turn us into a communist nation with him as our President for life.

    1. Feb 6, 2012, One on One with Matt Lauer, The

      Today Show. Exact Quote: “Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change that I would like.” Don’t believe NBC is a RIGHT WING Website.

  38. This is exactly why Obama said, “The founding fathers are keeping me from doing the things I want to do.” He wasn’t raised in America, he spent his childhood in Indonesia, brought up in the Islamic religions, and has no concept of what a great country America is as it is. He just wants to turn us into a communist nation with him as our President for life.

  39. 3/4 of the UN is made up of dictatorships, terrorists and banana republics. Only Obama and his crew would want us to be just like them. America is still, even after 100 years of Democrat ‘progress’, way too free for Obama’s taste.

    1. Actually, there are only 23 identified countries that are ruled by dictatorships. There are 193 countries in the United Nations. That makes it around 11 percent. 3/4 would be 75 percent.

  40. The UN does not run our Nation. Why is Obama trying to destroy our Condtitution and why are the idiotz in Congress and the supreme court allowing it