Obama Justice Department Memo: Gun Bans Have No Effect Unless Coupled with Confiscation and Universal Registry

Posted 02.19.13 by Greg Campbell, TPNN Contributor

By Greg Campbell
TPNN Contributor

Americans have been hearing the back-and-forth between gun rights activists and anti-gun rights activists for months now. President Obama and Vice President Biden have campaigned in several parts of the country to drum up support for stricter gun control measures that could come in the form of legislative actions or executive orders made unilaterally by the president.

Throughout it all, however, gun rights activists have been vocal in their opposition to both outright bans and calls to strengthen record-keeping on firearm purchases.

Bans on firearms will likely be an uphill battle, but anti-gun rights advocates have attempted to be reassuring in their assertions that bans and universal registry of firearms will not affect “grandfathered-in” firearms that are already owned.

However, a recent memo by the Obama Justice Department claims otherwise.

According to a January 4th, 2013, memo from the Obama Justice Department entitled, “Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention,”

“Fatalities from mass shootings (those with 4 or more victims in a particular place and time) account on average for 35 fatalities per year. Policies that address the larger firearm homicide issue will have a far greater impact even if they do not address the particular issues of mass shootings.”

After stipulating that gun buybacks are largely ineffective, the memo reports,

“In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail their availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession. An exemption for previously owned magazines would nearly eliminate any impact. The program would need to be coupled with an extensive buyback of existing large capacity magazines. With an exemption the impact of the restrictions would only be felt when the magazines degrade or when they no longer are compatible with guns in circulation. This would take decades to realize.”

With regards to an assault weapons ban, the memo concluded,

“Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicides and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence.”

The memo ultimately flies in the face of the rhetoric put forth by the anti-gun rights advocates as it notes that so-called “assault weapons” are not a major factor in gun violence. Further, the memo, in several instances, stresses that the proposed legislation would be, ultimately, ineffective unless coupled with mandatory “gun buybacks” that allow for “no exemptions” and the requiring of gun registry.

The NRA released a video explaining the memo. Chris Cox, the Executive Director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action noted that though the Obama Administration has claimed that their proposals are “reasonable,”

“The Obama Administration believes that a gun ban will not work without a mandatory gun confiscation and universal background checks will not work without requiring national gun registration. Still think President Obama’s proposals sound reasonable?”

At a time when the Obama Administration is working to assuage fears amongst Americans that gun confiscation is a possibility, the Justice Department seems to reveal that such action would be the only possible means of seeing results for policies that will likely cost politicians considerable political capital to enact.



  • jnrowdyone

    Executive orders are things kings and dictators use, not ELECTED officials!! Don’t tread on our constitusion!!!

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  • chuckcavender@reagan.com

    Sure, but when You have an attorney general that is a criminal you can do anything you want.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karen.tolly.9 Karen Tolly

    If they mean to start a war, let it begin here.
    Lexington & Concord and the PRESENT

  • Dirty Daug

    As long as Obama is the President he will little by little get all of the guns. The Only answer is to remove Obama from office anyway possible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.dropulich Joe Dropulich

    What are you afraid of Obama? An armed people too hard to dictate over?

  • alan

    obama and biden, pelosi and reid ARE TERRORISTS that pose a grave NATIONAAL SECURITY THREAT!!! TEASONOUS TRAITORS THEY ARE.

  • alan

    PLEASE come knock on my door. I know you’d come sneaking in the night as a covert “mission” because none of the jack boots have THE GUTS to come during the day when i can answer the door,,, NAZIS.

  • http://twitter.com/K_O_L_B___S_R Dennis L. Kolb Sr.

    “This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

    The Fuhrer: ……………..No, The Other One; ……………….. Adolf Hitler.

  • Harry Burt

    Instead of addressing GUN violence, we should be addressing violence. if you believe Piers Moran ;-) Britain had only 35 gun murders last year. Yet, it has 3.5 times the level of violent crime as the US. That is, rape, armed robbery, assault, and murder. Getting rid of the tool will only lead to a different tool, whether a knife, baseball bat, bomb, or flame thrower.
    Since most About 2/3, i believe) of the gun violence in the US is gang-on-gang, we should also be trying to reduce gang membership.

  • http://twitter.com/K_O_L_B___S_R Dennis L. Kolb Sr.

    “A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague.”
    Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Orator – 106-43 B.C.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.t.marshall.16 Michael Todd Marshall

      The officer’s oath of military service says nothing about defending or obeying the President. They swear to defend the Constitution. The enlisted Oath does say we will obey the orders of the president but truth is we are not required to obey unlawful orders. First and foremost we are to honor and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.gordon.1272 Charles Gordon

        Orders which deliberately violate the constitution (see Article 2 of the Bill of Rights and the remaining Articles of the Bill of Rights) are not lawful orders, as the oath requires the enlisted man to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. (Sorry about the run on sentence)

  • http://twitter.com/K_O_L_B___S_R Dennis L. Kolb Sr.

    “America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
    Claire Wolfe, 101 Things To Do Until the Revolution

  • http://www.facebook.com/StGeorge2011 Robert Manwiller

    Every one of these people who gave up and will give up their guns have an IQ not much above room temperature – in Siberia!!!

  • http://touchstonesjests.blogspot.com/ TouchStone

    Registration.
    …confiscation.
    ….concentration camps.

    We’ve seen this movie before.

  • http://twitter.com/odewan Randall L Odegaard

    Oh and guess who is with us??? Alot of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, maybe not alot but they all havn’t said much Yet. Plus, our military will have a little bit to say about what happens also. Just how big is homeland security??? Need to find out.

  • http://twitter.com/odewan Randall L Odegaard

    The cry will be: Come and Take It, If You Can!!! Ain’t happenin’ bitch, not in this lifetime or in any other, the road to dictatorship/hitler/stalin/hussein, etc goes hand in hand with gun registration then CONFISCATION!!! Like I said, AIN’T HAPPENIN’ BITCH!!! Never give up your rights accorded to you by the “Second Amendment” in the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. There will be another Revolutionary WAR if our Constitution is violated and obama tries to become heir obama. Again, Ain’t happenin’ B****!!!!! Who with us????

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sid-Stringer/100001792627741 Sid Stringer

    Just leave our Constitution and our Guns alone!! Un-believable!!

  • supersport66

    obama wants to destroy our beloved constitution, our declaration of independence and the Holy Bible and this once great republic.like paul revere its time to ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jon.schoolcraft Jon Schoolcraft

    I agree with Bill ONeil. This pile needs to be put in check. Who does he think he is god?

    • http://www.facebook.com/joe.dropulich Joe Dropulich

      Yes on both counts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649119890 Keith Glass

    If they want my STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES, they can make me an offer. Bidding starts at $5,000.00 per magazine. That should easily fund a 3-D printer: I already have the DEFCAD files to make all the mags I’ll ever need. . . and let friends make ‘em too, by pressing one button. . .

  • msgnewman

    2nd Amendment “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”

    I WILL NOT be fingerprinted for LEGALLY owning a gun!
    I WILL NOT have my picture taken for LEGALLY owning a gun!
    I WILL NOT register my LEGALLY owned guns!
    I WILL NOT surrender my LEGALLY owned guns
    This Vietnam vet says I WILL NOT COMPLY!!!!!
    If the Government comes to take my guns ILLEGALLY, they will get them BULLETS FIRST!!!
    MOLON LABE!!!!!
    Live FREE or die!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1160367935 Norbert Ueberschaar

      BRAVO, Live Free – FIRST BULLETS AND THEN GUNS (IF THEY ARE STILL ABLE!!!)
      MISCHIEF IN COMMAND SHOULD BE IN THE FRONT OF COLLECTORS! 16 BETWEEN EYES – WONT DAMAGED HIS RIGHT SIDE BRAIN – IT IS DEGENERATED FROM THE VERY BEGIN.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.gordon.1272 Charles Gordon

        And if I run out of bullets, they still have to confront a soldier who paid attention during bayonet training!!!

  • Americanpride

    Bill Oneill , you said it for me !

  • rivahmitch

    THose unwilling to kill and die to preserve their rights and freedom will lose them, and deservedly so. Semper Fi!

  • NHMI

    Well the “assault weapons” ban started after Sandy Hook where NO ASSAULT WEAPON was used. The AR was in the trunk and the coroner lied about what people were shot with. He used only pistols…and most crimes aren’t committed with semi-auto rifles anyway but if anything more good people is the solution, not less good people and more bad people with high cap mags and full auto machine guns…cuz last time I checked criminals could give a crap what the law says…this is about agenda, not protecting anyone. They just want to disarm the people. More people die from cars each year, will we ban them too???

    • Harry Burt

      If you look closely at the video, the gun in the trunk was a Saiga tactical shotgun. It had no charging handle (chambering was done with a side-mounted handle) and the shells ejected were clearly shotgun shells, not rifle shells. As usual, the media misreported it and everyone accepted their story.

      • chuckcavender@reagan.com

        clips, it really pisses me off when they call mags a clip

  • http://www.facebook.com/spookpekes2 LaRae Bailey

    nothing but a prelude to total gun ban and confiscation and fools who choose not to believe it are as bad as babes in the woods.. once our rights are gone, there will be NO getting them back…

  • gordondill

    The authors of the stories should not say the Democrats
    are: it should read John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt of the 66
    th near Cucamonga. These politicians
    need to be callout by NAME before and
    after the vote on a bill. If we put a
    spotlight on these people by NAME and District, they will think about the Consequences of their Actions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

    kill them all.

  • goku vegeta

    SO DON’T COMPLY. ELIMINATE THOSE WHO WOULD FORCE YOU TOO!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002463165336 S.a. Hillcrest

    What I find truly hard to believe is that we are even having this discussion. I think an “ol’ shot across the bow”, as we were taught in the Navy, should be enough. For those of you not familiar – it means cease & desist IMMEDIATELY or the next one will be broadside and you are going down! So, for my part, I’m done talking about it. As our liberal friends would say…case closed, the verdict is in. There will be none! Now, move on to a different topic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dean.braun.35 Dean Braun

    When are the idiots in the administration and all the democratic lawmakers that want to take our guns away going to realize it will NEVER happen? We will defend our constitutional rights and don’t try to stop us.

    • John

      Never say never my friend. Just remember, this prez has gotten just about everything he’s wanted with hardly a whimper from our elected representatives.

  • NBbigD

    WHAT NEXT, get in the boxcar for a ride to a FEMA camp. Up yours………

  • http://www.facebook.com/pmcconathy1 Phil McConathy

    This administration is asking for a major revolution if they continue on their quest to take away our guns.

    • John

      And, they are buying their ammo to make sure they have the firepower to get what they want.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ronaldr.worthington Ronald R Worthington

        my personal observation is they are tieing up all ammo so we won’t be able to get any. already the local city and county police are having trouble, they can’t get enough either!

  • http://twitter.com/jstuartharris J Stuart Harris

    Governments are neither innocent nor honest in their push to register (and eventually confiscate) arms of any kind. There is ALWAYS a hidden agenda to render the people incapable of resisting tyranny.

    You can either stand up and fight this now or you can stand behind a chain-link fence in a government concentration camp as history repeats itself yet again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/leprecaun14456 Robert Myles

    The end result of any gun laws has always been and will continue to be the ultimate of Gun Registration and Confiscation. A Dictator cannt impose comeplete control and institute a police state when Citizen’s are allowed to have fireArms. Remember that in the last century thru Guncontrol ofver 60 millon people have been exterminatated. the UN Agenda 21 and Small Arms Treaty are to confiscate all privately owned firearms and then reduce the world population to around 8 Billion or less than 1/4 of what it is today. Stand and Fight or Kneel and die that is the choice we truly face today

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnny.m.lazenby Johnny M. Lazenby

    We the people will not give up one mag,we will not give up one bullet,we will not register one gun.But we will fight with all way of means to keep are rights no matter what it takes.And you Mr.Obama.If you don’t believe this .you just try it.You Mr.Obama Will Not Make Criminals out of law abiding citizens.We the AMERICAN PEOPLE will do what ever it takes to stop your communist Ideas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/spookpekes2 LaRae Bailey

      I fear they have found the start button to the next civil war and can not decide if they want it that way or not

    • henryknox

      But their goal is to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. They fear law abiding citizens more than they fear the criminals. The criminals actually serve as facilitators for their Marxist takeover.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-ONeill/100003228948762 Bill ONeill

    Instead of trying to control guns we need to control the unconstitutional activities of Obama Biden criminals and traitors both.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.sheaffer Jeff Sheaffer

    This is a war against Barack Hussein Obama!

    • damile

      Excellent IDEA! I have been waiting for someone to call the American citizens to action against this imposter for 4 years now!
      Time to act.
      The Patriots are coming, the patriots are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • CheeseNrice

      It doesn’t end with obama. He’s just the lead horse in the parade. You have to learn who’s holding the reins. They are the one’s we’re really at war with, and them with us. “They” and their father before them have been at war with America for 100 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.russo.7 Douglas Russo

    quit addressing hussein and biden as president and vice…both are domestic enemies to real America

    • Patriot

      Amen Bro!

  • jtrollla

    Confiscation has always been the objective of gun control advocates. We are seeing is what Marxist theoreticians refer to as “a correlation of forces.” That is, political and social conditions are such that the government can act as it pleases. In this case using registration as a trope for universal confiscation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SFG5JFDJGENNEXY5DVD6L5IAMY MarilouH

    Sure way to start a Revolution, America will not give up our guns!!

    • Richard Brophy

      I don’t know what gun owners are waiting for. Obama has made his intent clear — to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment. What is anyone doing about that?! If Obama can infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights, he can infringe on ANYTHING. Obama is “testing the waters” with his sly encroachment upon the 2nd Amendment. If he succeeds, however way he does it … watch out … other Amendments are up for grabs in the exact same way he stomps on the 2nd Amendment.
      All this time, Obama is perpetually committing perjury, has that occurred to anyone? He swore to uphold the Constitution, and that’s not what he’s doing! Isn’t perjury violating what was sworn under oath??
      Obama is employing the tactic of minute but gradual encroachment of the rights of the American people, and he’s getting away with it. Woe to the United States if this derelict and renegade President gets his way. And by the way, we still do not know if he’s legal or not. If he gets his way, imagine how Americans will feel for having their government and country destroyed by an illegal President.
      I used to say Obama gets away with “murder”, but with the Benghazi case, he now not only gets away with his political atrocities, he has gotten away with murder!

      • Patriot

        I just can’t believe this moron was re-elected! So obviously kenyan to begin with! GOD help us!

      • Made_in_the_USA

        All of your points are valid points. bho and his partners in crime have perpetrated the largest fraud in American history, possibly in the history of the world. I usually refer to this mess in DC as a rogue regime. It was pointed out to me that this is a crime syndicate. Both are accurate descriptions, but renegade is also a good identifier.
        I know that no matter what you call this bunch of leftover ’60 losers, they were destroying our once great nation one small step at a time. Since they couldn’t bomb their way to success 40+ years ago, they and their ideology have taken over our schools and universities. We now have the most uneducated youth, all with various college degrees. They can’t find jobs, blame it on conservatives, and don’t have the understanding that the liberal leftovers did this to them! They have no idea how great America was in the past, they only see what’s in front of their faces. They only live for today. They never learned the real history of America before revisionists changed the curriculum, and have no idea what kind of contribution they could have made both to America and society if they weren’t part of the problem.
        Now the ‘renegades’ are accelerating their agenda; things seem to be happening at a much faster pace now that bho knows that he has little to no opposition in the halls of congress and SCOTUS.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Rusin/542128614 Paul Rusin

        Don’t forget he should be up on criminal charges in the ICC for hie Fast & Furious fioasco which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of Mexican nationals by the drug cartels to whom the BATFE allowed guns to “walk” across our southern border in the hands of Mexican nationals here illegally. I wonder if the Mexican cartels are funneling money into Obama’s campaign coffers? Remember his drug use he spoke about in his ‘supposed’ autobiographies, his drug use, abuse, his “choom wagon”? These are all indicative of someone who is a criminal, and who should never have been voted into office once, let alone a second time. However, with 100% of some precincts voting Obama, with some voting well over 100%, and with military ballots having not been counted, with one Ohio woman (a poll watcher) admitting she voted twice, plus voted for others thru proxy. how can we say that the rampant fraud was not the cause of the re-erection of Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein (insane commuNAZI) Obama, Jr.

        • chuckcavender@reagan.com

          right on brother

      • chuckcavender@reagan.com

        yeper right on

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Rusin/542128614 Paul Rusin

      It is what this leftist government wants. That’s why local Sheriff’s/PD’s are being tasked by the NY State Police to go after guns in homes where the Permits are denied by the new S.A.F.E. Law renewal provisions. This is why they are being asked to accept drones, too, made available through DHS; why county legislatures are voting for receipt of Agenda 21 Sustainable Development funds, etc., etc. They want to declare martial law nationwide so they can go around and collect up guns and ammo from people’s homes on the basis that they are protecting everyone from insurrection.

  • damile

    How about if all of the gun owners in America visit Oloser and Moochelle and personally give them our ammunition? Think of the money America would save to pay for handouts to the 47%, instead of having the SS (Secret Service) round it up the ammunition by visiting our homes.

    Just wanting to be altruistic and helpful to the socialist cause.

    Just a thought.



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