Study: More Guns Equal Less Crime

Posted 11.28.12 by Greg Campbell, TPNN Contributor

By Greg Campbell
TPNN Contributor

Gun control is a less-discussed issue these days compared to the mid-‘90’s. It was around this time that gun control hysteria swept the nation as it served as an electable quality for all leftist leaders to crusade against those evil man-killers. As they created further restrictions and instituted a federal assault weapons ban, we were all told that it was for our own good. After all, guns kill people and lead to increased crime rates.

It turns out that not only is that not true, but the exact opposite seems to be true. A recent study in Virginia has shown what lovers of the Second Amendment have known all along to be true: more guns in the hands of responsible citizens means less crime.

According to a recent study, courtesy of The Richmond Times- Dispatch, the total number of firearms purchased in Virginia increased 73 percent from 2006 to 2011. When state population increases are factored in, gun purchases per 100,000 Virginians rose 63 percent.

But the total number of gun-related violent crimes fell 24 percent over that period, and when adjusted for population, gun-related offenses dropped more than 27 percent, from 79 crimes per 100,000 in 2006 to 57 crimes in 2011.

The numbers appear to contradict a long-running popular narrative that more guns cause more violent crime, said Virginia Commonwealth University professor Thomas R. Baker, who compared Virginia crime data for those years with gun-dealer sales estimates obtained by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

‘While there is a wealth of academic literature attempting to demonstrate the relationship between guns and crime, a very simple and intuitive demonstration of the numbers seems to point away from the premise that more guns leads to more crime, at least in Virginia,’ said Baker, who specializes in research methods and criminology theory and has an interest in gun issues.”

It makes sense. Guns are tools- nothing more, nothing less. Like a knife, a bat or any other lethal object, in the wrong hands, a gun is a life-taking tool. In the right hands, a gun is a life-preserving tool. A well-armed population gives the casual intruder or mugger pause to consider the victim’s ability to fight back.

While this makes sense to those that are not immune to logic, some disagree that there exists a correlation between a well-armed population and low crime stats.

“’I’m not surprised that it would appear that more guns is going along with less crime, because there’s been a downward trend in violent crime anyway,’ said Andrew Goddard, president of the Virginia Center for Public Safety.”

23 million Americans are out of work and police department budgets are stretched incredibly thin. Crime rates are trending downwards, but I certainly don’t believe that in these desperate times, they are trending downward due to any natural societal trend to abstain from lawlessness. It is far more likely that the would-be perpetrators of crimes are more afraid of being shot for their deeds.

Baker’s study isolated as many variables as possible. Because handguns are the weapons most often used in crimes, Baker, presuming that shotgun and rifle sales were artificially inflating the sales numbers when compared to crime numbers, also examined the relationship between handgun purchases and handgun-related crime. He found a similar trend.

The ‘90’s are over and the gun control hysteria has, largely, receded. We were told that without these harsh measures, the streets would run red with the blood of the innocent. However, many states have loosened their gun control measures, the assault weapons ban expired 8 years ago and manufacturers are selling more guns than ever before; and crime is down.

While we celebrate this win for logic today, prepare for the gun-grabbers’ return; perhaps sooner rather than later.



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  • iEat&DrinkWell

    If you’d like to consider 2 statistics and draw conclusions, how about these 2?
    USA has the most guns and most gun violence of any civilized nation.
    So MOST GUNS seems to equal MOST GUN VIOLENCE

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.schuster.566 Chris Schuster

    Someone _CoughGovBrownCough_ needs to read this.

  • James

    Correlation does not equal causation.

  • Waldo

    This is true. Criminals are usually cowardly and will attack the most vulnerable people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Skippybones Michael Mitchell

    this is an interesting study and a corroborating story can be found by examining Kennesaw,GA. They past a law requiring the ownership of a firearm by all homeowners.

  • George Richter

    Ask your self where is crime most prevalent ? Let’s see….DC….NYC, LA, Chicago.
    Most anti gunners just have not been robbed or raped yet. Sadly it takes and unfortunate event where they were assulted and felt powerless. Then they come in to the gun store and want to arm themselves.
    Personal safety is each and everyone’s own responsibility. they just have to learn that the hard way. Twice a firearm prevented my family from experiencing the wrong end of what would have been a crime. I raised my daughters to defend themselves. I someday I will teach my grandchildren how to handle firearms as a tool of protection and freedom from fear.

  • Daditim

    The 2nd Amendment Starts with the phrase “A well-Regulated Militia being necessary for a free state,” All gun owners should be drafted into the military. As long as we have troops in harms way, everyone who exercises their right to bear arms also have the responsibility to defend the Country.

    • Jeep

      I will make the presumption you are not a gun owner. So, you would gladly live under the blanket of protection provided by those of us who stand in harms way to provide you with freedom. And, then you would mock us? You are nothing but a coward and deserve the fear you must live with. And, the “draft” is not needed, there are plenty of freedom loving patriots to do what you will not. So, please feel “free” to enjoy another toke, just stay out of my way and my fellow patriots will keep the bogey man on foreign shores so you can sit in your mother’s basement and excercise your first amendment rights.

      • Daditim

        Jeep if you are, ever were, or plan to be part of the US military then I do not mock you. I am merely pointing out the the purpose of the second amendment is to allow citizens to protect themselves so standing armies were not needed. The US has had a standing army since WWII. Do you feel that we are more or less free than in 1941? One thing about service in WWII roughly 90% of males 18-35 served as opposed to <10% of the same group in Iraq and Afghanistan since '01. http://icasualties.org/oef/

  • toni

    Guns don’t commit crimes, especially in the hands of responsible
    citizens who have a right to protect themselves against government
    tyranny and against criminals that the government lets out of jail
    (claiming they don’t have enough money when they give billions a year to
    overseas countries that are dead-set on dismantling America). However,
    Illegal immigrants who traffic drugs and humans and then are given
    amnesty by Obama, do commit homicides and without remorse. The
    government (Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration) need to be
    pressured into going after the real criminals (gangs and organized crime
    etc).

    We must continually fight for our right to own
    firearms. Our country was born this way (fighting for our freedom with
    guns or what ever weapons we could find to defend ourselves against the
    British army). Certain people, claiming that they work for our
    government (not representing American values or our Constitution;
    however) are trying to slowly take away our rights, This is also true
    with insurance companies, the banks (federal reserve) and law makers are
    the worst offenders of American freedoms and liberties. They try to
    take a little of our rights away every year so as for people not to feel
    the pain. their strategy is that by the time one generation has died
    off, that the next generation will remain ignorant enough to not notice
    what rights and freedoms have already been taken.

    The
    minute the government begins telling us what to do, instead of serving
    the public like it needs to, we’re in the beginning stages of communism
    and tyranny. Taking our guns away–so that only government agents and
    armies can kill citizens and citizens can’t defend themselves, their
    property and family etc. is the start of communism, which leads to mass
    genocides–usually excluding most Jews

    .

  • http://www.facebook.com/Macgizzard Bob Farber

    The looney left will absolutely argue it and anything else that disrupts their perception of the alter reality they live in and they will refuse until their last breath anything that is inconvenient or is not self soothing to them. Even if you stopped a violent attack from a criminal on a left wing anti gun nut job by using your fire arm they would still declare guns are bad. The death penalty also works and its been proven time and time again in studies. I just can’t help believing that lawyers can’t make near as much money off dead people or without crime.

  • http://www.facebook.com/doug.nolan.39 Doug Nolan

    Gun-grabbing leftists don’t care about facts, unless they make them up. All they care about is power, and being able to decide who gets ‘privileges’ such as owning guns. They hate self-sufficient people, particularly those who are successful AND decent, honest people (Mitt Romney, anyone?) So, they follow the Alinsky script, and try to destroy anyone who opposes them. Don’t believe me? Read ‘Rules for Radicals’ and see if it doesn’t fit the Obama script. Hang on to your guns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.v.pelletier Michael V. Pelletier

    John Lott published a similar study, with nationwide data, in 1997. Nice to see an addition to this body of work, it’s been a while.

  • iEat&DrinkWell

    More guns does not equal less crime. Correlation is not causation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rodger.thephotographer.5 Rodger Thephotographer

      The second sentence, of course, logically points out the fallacy of trying to use it in order to prove the aforementioned sentence. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is, in itself, fallacious!

  • Guest

    The elephant in the room here is assault rifles. The Liberal agenda is not to take every last pistol out of your bible-thumpin’ hands but it should be a little tougher to get your hands on an assault rifle and thousands of rounds. Funny that the study or article doesn’t mention assault rifles once. it cannot be disputed that America has the most guns and the most gun violence of any civilized nation.

    • NordopiaHills

      “Assault rifles” are for military use-and are fully automatic-the so-called “assault rifles” sold to civilians are semi-automatic,and are used by many people for hunting,they are used in the Civilian Marksmanship Program,they are used in many shooting competions,and are used for hunting.
      The reason YOU precieve “Assault rifles” as the “elephant in the room” is that YOU do NOT understand what an “assault rifle” really is-you fell for the anti-gun BS that because it looks scary-it is dangerous and should be banned.
      During the 10 years the “assault weapons” ban was in effect-there was ZERO change in gun crimes committed with “assault weapons”-the reason being-the so-called “assault weapons” were never used in more than 1/2 of 1% of gun crimes to begin with. THAT is why the ban was allowed to sunset-EVERY study led to the same conclusion-the so-called “assault weapons” simply are not used in gun crimes with any frequency,and are NOT a cause of gun crimes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sheryl.clark.908 Sheryl Clark

      Guest, an assault rifle is fully automatic. They are not sold to the public. An AK47 sold at the local gun store is technically no different than a semi-auto 22 squirrel rifle,only uglier and less accurate. Only full automatic is an assault rifle,as in machine gun! The only way to get one legally is a very deep background check. its also very expensive. in short if the rifle has not been used in an assault, then its not an assault rifle! Aside from that, the liberal agenda IS EXACTLY to take every last pistol out of our bible-thumpin hands, simply because to do less would be a waste of effort! You must think us fools not to see that!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Clay-Blanche/100003204876249 Clay Blanche

    More guns mean less crime.
    More Liberals mean more headaches.

  • Guest
  • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.condit.374 Nancy Condit

    I don’t remember for sure but I think it is Sweden that arms each of their citizens then teaches them how to handle the gun.Also i believe that their crime rate is the lowest in the world.Would have to look it up again to know for sure but if that is the case I think it is a plus for them.So that is a good argument for the NRA.

    • iEat&DrinkWell

      Maybe if NRA members were as civil as those in Sweden.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sheryl.clark.908 Sheryl Clark

        Eat,(an alias if I ever heard one) What do you mean as civil as Swedes? What has an NRA member done to make you think we’re un-civil? Maybe defend his gun rights against gun control fanatics? It has been my experience that NRA people are some of the most polite and civil folks around. I mean come on, think about it, they’re armed,only a fool would be otherwise! Also, to legally own a gun, you must pass a criminal background check. It would be foolish to even be in the NRA if you couldn’t pass that check. Personally, I think you need to clarify your remark,, please. See there, can’t get much more civil than that, I said please and all!

        • iEat&DrinkWell

          Would you really like to discuss the differences between Tea Party loving NRA members and Swedes?

          Would you support adopting Swedish Gun Policies? I would. Let’s look at a few.

          In Sweden, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence, in some cases, but NOT FOR THE PROTECTION OF PERSON OR PROPERTY

          In Sweden, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition, ANY FIREARM not just handguns.

          In Sweden, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence

          An applicant for a firearm licence in Sweden must pass background checks which consider criminal and MENTAL records

    • http://www.facebook.com/Skippybones Michael Mitchell

      Sweden has a mandatory 2 years of military service. And does not have harsh restrictions on firearms as far as i know.

    • Edgar Darwin

      i think you mean Switzerland. Every male (not sure about the women) between certain ages is required to go through military reserve training and be in the reserves. In the mean time,he is required to keep in his home an automatic assault rifle, and several hundred rounds of ammo, along with other military supplies and armaments in the event of INVASION. I can’t help but think that this is what our founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment

      • iEat&DrinkWell

        It is a simple fact that even pro-gun websites state that in Sweden, private possession of fully automatic weapons is prohibited

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M2CWPZRUEIAHYN7EH4F3USL2QQ 890Robert Martin

    This whole matter is very simple! The reason that the Progressive Humanist Socialists are ravid against Firearms is because with the common man having the LIBERTY in having private property and firearms in particular makes it impossible for the Politically Correct Preditors an easy victum in gaining their power over the Sovereign Constitutionalist.
    The greatest fear that the Socialists have are that the law abiding Patriots, For they are potentually the ones who will put stop to the tyrannical demigods who are out to enslave their fellow man into their social order of chaos. The Patriot who is armed will make the Politically Correct Preditor to hide in their lies and deceit:: forever trying to corrupt the Patroits movement by their covert actions through the destruction of the charactor of the messenger’s who believe in the inalienable right of the Sovereign Individual given by Almighty God!

  • Nathan Sebastian

    I did have a problem with this article, for as stated by Andrew Goddard, crime rates are decreasing, and correlation does not imply causation (so we can’t assume guns are related to crime rates just because they’re both changing). However, guns are one of the only things ensuring our freedom. When people take our guns, what do we have left to rebel with? Nothing. Guns are what keep us in control, because if the worst times come, we can still fight back against the problem.

    I also have an issue with the claim that guns cause an increase in violent crime. Since when do criminals obey the laws? They’ll still use guns, even if they’re illegal! Gun laws allow us to have a way to protect ourselves. If somebody attacks our house, I know I’m safe because we have a way to push back against the intruder. And gun laws wouldn’t change anything anyway; there are already so many guns in circulation that if we today cut off all manufacture of guns, we could still give one to every citizen of the United States. So because they don’t cause violent crime, they are used for self-protection, and are the only true way we have to defend our freedom, I am for guns all the way, and hope that another theater shooting by a psychotic man won’t put the rest of the citizens that actually use guns correctly on the chopping block.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.rion.79 Mike Rion

    Several states have now allowed private citizens to easily acquire concealed carry permits. In virtually every case the amount of, gun assisted, crime reported has dropped precipitously. There is nothing new, just blind leftist loons who refuse to see the obvious. We cannot keep criminals from acquiring guns, and law enforcement is almost totally unable to protect us, before the fact, when we are confronted with, life threatening, criminal, gun violence. Therefore, it is only logical that we need to allow law abiding citizens, to be able, to protect themselves when confronted with this, ever present, danger. Private gun ownership does deter gun crime, and even more so when the citizen is allowed to legally carry it on their person.

    • Mark

      What a sham it is to say to citizens; “OK, you have the right to own firearms, but you cannot carry them with you on your person.” That is like saying “you have the right to defend yourself as long as you don’t use force, or violent actions, or hurt anyone.” The Second Amendment clearly states: “.the right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed”. It doesn’t say; “the right to keep them at home in your gun safe or closet”. It doesn’t say; “the right to only carry them around your house” either. How could the authors and ratifiers of this document guaranteeing us our freedoms have made it any clearer? By adding some phrase lsuch as: “and don’t mess with this!!!!!”
      Those who would usurp our freedoms will try to do so no matter what words are used to assure us of it in any document. Only our individual determination to remain strong, and capable of resisting tyranny, will ultimately prevent it’s occurrence. And criminals are deterred by a well, armed, determined citizenry..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SR6TPGWNCJ6OYIP55GR74JLL6Y Nigel

    Leftists are illogical. Tea party patriots are logical.

  • Edwin Jeffcoat

    Gun bans sound good until one considers that good people obey bans bad people don’t.

    • Mark

      Gun bans NEVER sound good except to those with a “cowardly sheep” mentality, who would surrender their freedom for security, and in the end have neither..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-Osbun/100001215333702 Erik Osbun

    You have it wrong again. People kill people. Guns are only a tool.

  • http://destroyideas.blogspot.com destroyideas

    Did the study determine how many of these newly purchased weapons were to first-time owners? Without that important statistic, this study is pointless.

    Did the study also look at the rate of violent crime across the country compared to the % of households with loaded firearms? Because that statistic shows violent crime does indeed increase per capita with more firearms. http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crime-vs-gun-ownership

    • Mark

      To what would you attribute the drop in violent crime? A more considerate and caring, concerned criminal element? A kinder, gentler breed of sociopath evolving coincidentally with the increase in gun purchases and gun possession? Why don’t you do the research yourself and disprove the article rather than trying to refute it with your lame rebuttals..

      • http://destroyideas.blogspot.com destroyideas

        What exactly is “lame” about pointing out obvious flaws? And what evidence is there to suspect a casual correlation between these two statistics? Especially considering other statistics contradict these ones, for example the rise in recent crime in the Chicago area since the gun laws there were overturned. And considering the overall trend of lower crime rates since their peak in the early 90s when a corresponding trend of lower gun ownership.

        Some reasons the rates have lowered are new law enforcement methods and other social and community programs.

        • http://www.facebook.com/rodger.thephotographer.5 Rodger Thephotographer

          In the words of our beloved VP Joe Biden, “I have an answer in three words: John Lott”.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/M2CWPZRUEIAHYN7EH4F3USL2QQ 890Robert Martin

          Chicago is the most of the most corrupt of the metropolitan cites in the nation. The efforts to overturn the gun laws in Chicago has not been put into effect, due to further actions in the courts by the Mayor, who himself is an abomination. The mess that Illinois is in is due to its Progressive Humanist Socialist corruption. New York City and Chicago are reaping what they have sowed.

        • NordopiaHills

          The Chicago gun ban was supposedly overturned-yet there is nowhere in Chicago to legally buy a handgun-the city still enforces a gun ban-even though it was overturned in 2008 by the SCOTUS. Gun crimes in Chicago are NOT being committed with legally owned firearms-those committing the crimes are mainly gang members,with felony convictions-who can NOT legally own a gun in ANY state.

      • Rita Scott

        Thanks Mark!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M2CWPZRUEIAHYN7EH4F3USL2QQ 890Robert Martin

        Destroyideas, you are out to lunch. Statistic does not shows violent crime increase /capita with more firearms. Your elitist
        view no doubt is going to come back and bit you.

        • Edgar Darwin

          “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

          Quote, Mark Twain

    • http://www.facebook.com/richard.r.solberg Richard R Solberg

      And every study that does show that cherry picks its data : (

  • John Centonze

    Look it up! Least restrictive gun laws in the nation=Vermont! Least number of gun related crimes per 100,000 people in the nation=Vermont!

    • iEat&DrinkWell

      Vermont is also the most educated state. You can’t single out two statistics or even 3 and claim they tell a whole story.

      • iEat&DrinkWell

        Haha. I see that Tea Partiers really hate education. Clearly God wants us to have more guns and less schools.

  • dcartmill

    You have to go no farther than Kennsaw, Georgia, Where the proof is in the pudding…

    Kennesaw Georgia – where gun ownership is
    mandatory. The city’s website states
    that Kennesaw “has the lowest crime rate in Cobb County,” one of the most
    populace counties in Georgia. In fact, from 1982 through 2009, Kennesaw had
    been nearly murder free with one murder occurring in 2007.

    • http://www.facebook.com/buddy.ratchford Buddy Ratchford

      This is a fact, but I recently heard that Kennesaw repealed that law. Wonder how it has impacted their crime rate? Bet I can guess!

      • http://www.facebook.com/rodger.thephotographer.5 Rodger Thephotographer

        I just floated a google search on the topic of repeal, nada. Would you please forward a link or something? Thanks much!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.doyle.92798 Bill Doyle

    There is a reason why “the right to bear arms” was the second admendment just right after the “freedom of speach…” which was the first admendment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Skippybones Michael Mitchell

      The second amendment protects the first and all amendments as well as the entirety of constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-ThePimpernel/100003157676276 Joe ThePimpernel

    Crime control is not the purpose of gun control.

    The purpose of gun control is control. Period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tyler.buckley.16503 Tyler Buckley

    it is funny how terrible incidents that happen like in the movie theater in colorado, the politician in arizona where i child was killed in that political ralie etcetera etcetera that the democratic party goes ape and trys to start gun bans thinking that will stop gun related crimes where as the legal gun owners suffer at there hands of those political parties when some of those who illegaly ubtain those weapons through either black markets or through theft why should we the legal gun owners suffer when the the illegal guns roam free if they acomplish the gun ban the bad guys will still be able to get guns like I said the black market etc. wouldnt you agree

    • dodger4754

      Of course, Tyler. Hence the old, but absolutely true…
      “If guns are outlawed,
      only outlaws will have guns.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/nathan.cary.96 Nathan Cary

    That picture is one of the prettiest I’ve seen all day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

    What is the point of categorizing crime by the tools the
    criminals used? Is a robbery at gunpoint better or worse than a
    robbery at knifepoint? A gun is just another tool; which tool a criminal used is less important than the fact that someone committed the crime.

    There’s another study I frequently bring up in gun control discussions because it examines gun laws, crime rates, and the change in each in several different parts of the world (generally the former British Empire), but it does not focus on “gun crime.” Instead, it looks at overall violent crime because a robbery or assault stopped with a gun is equally good whether the attacker/robber was wielding a gun, a knife, a flame thrower, or a different weapon. http://www.gunsandcrime.org/faildxprmt.pdf

    Goddard’s comment is also interesting to me in light of both studies–if gun sales are UP and crime is DOWN, isn’t that a correlation worth looking at? And in fact, the studies seem to imply that there is a causal relationship between more guns and less crime.

    • Alan Radford

      Yes there is a relationship, because
      with a gun in hand a 90 year old woman is the equal ( or better) of a
      25 year old body builder with a knife.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

        I’m not sure what the point of your comment is. Are you responding to my point about categorizing violent crime by weapon type? Or my reference to the causal relationship between guns and crime? What I meant to point out was that Goddard’s attempt to downplay the decrease in gun crimes because the overall crime rate has also dropped is ironic because both studies support the conclusion that the wide availability of guns contributed to that very trend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.rosado Rick Rosado

    i wonder what genius figured that out .

    • tullmargaret

      iwouldf a ther b e armed than not

  • OldRockerguy

    Oppressive dictatorships never allow their citizens to have guns. The illegal, ineligible squatter currently occupying our White House and his czars are fully aware of this. They must confiscate our firearms before the full effects of their poliicies take affect. If we are stupid enough to allow this to happen it will just be a matter of time before we will all be nothing but slaves to the federal government.

  • Ray Burke

    Guns = FREEDOM !!!

    • http://twitter.com/mrmo57 Maurice Jackson

      What I find strange is all the big shot loon Democraps that are pushing gun control on us eather have well armed security, or they have their own guns for home and self protection. I remember reading about a anti-gun judge or something shooting a guy breaking into his house.. But that was ok cause hes a big shot..

      • votedemout

        “Less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer.

        And the bomb didn’t detonate. I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home. And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did.

        I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”

        27 April 1995 – Dianne Feinstein

        One of the most verilent anti gunners in congress, an anti-gun Senator who still somehow found the fortitude to obtain a concealed firearms carry permit, a privilege she wants to deny others

        • http://twitter.com/mrmo57 Maurice Jackson

          Thats what I’m takting about, not her persay because I’ed forgoten about her and her having a permit. But the hole bunch like Bloomie from N.Y. the judge I think he was Va. Obummer with his secret service and mob goons, and the list goes on and on. The gang bangers, crazies in the middle east, loose nuts in north Aferica, the U.N wants us to ecept their small arms treaty but what are they doing about the middle east and Aferica “NOTHING”. In fact over half of the U.N. members are from the middle east and Aferica. I do not trust them not one bit.. When they give up their guns and or protection than they can talk gun control and not a second befor !!!

      • Ray Burke

        Here’s the way it works, Maurice. The democraps make the rules – but ONLY for us !!! They are exempt. Simple, isn’t it?

        • http://twitter.com/mrmo57 Maurice Jackson

          Ya it sucks don;t it..

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-Pennington/1260968565 Bryan Pennington

      And with Freedom, as with guns, comes responsibility. With that, we have Liberty.

      • Ray Burke

        Absolutely !!!

  • yabo

    Keep them poor keep them stupid and unarm them and we can control them

  • petejurg

    I don’t think the loony leftists can argue against this reasoning successfully nor do I think their agenda is not to protect us from crazy law-abiding gun toting citizens. I believe there agenda has more to do with having control over a docile public since a common characteristic of a left leaning screwball is a control freak. If they disarm us, they could have their way with us without anything more than a flood of worthless petitions to fear.

    • Ray Burke

      Precisely !!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.sommerkorn Benjamin Scott Sommerkorn

      What and amazingly ignorant statement, im a liberal, I am a gun owner, i believe in gun rights and i know more than a couple fellow liberals who exercise their right to bear arms. stop watching fox news, and open your eyes to the real world where people are people and not lables

      • http://www.facebook.com/buddy.ratchford Buddy Ratchford

        Ben, labels exist because they apply most of the time. It’s a fact that MOST Liberals support more gun control laws. As is often the case, there are exceptions to every rule (and label). Glad you’re on our (conservative) side on this particular issue.

        • http://www.facebook.com/rodger.thephotographer.5 Rodger Thephotographer

          As a founder of a collegiate second amendment student organization and a polisci major (and a follower of the former gun control leftist the Professor John Lott) I would be most interested in seeing the data set regarding the majority of liberals (eg registered democrats?) supporting more gun control laws than (what?). Would you please forward the link? Thanks very much!

          • rongway

            You don’t need a report to show you this data. Simply look at who is creating and supporting the additional gun control legislation in this country. I can guarantee it’s not Conservatives.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dhollingermain Denise Hollinger Main

            Um, I think all you have to do is look at the state of Illinois and their recent gun control laws.

      • http://www.facebook.com/linda.thompson.31508 Linda Thompson

        Benjamin, why is it that the first thing out of a liberal’s mouth is “stop watching Fox news”? Well, I watched CBS, ABC, NBC and some of the stuff coming from them was questionable, but then I turned on MSNBC and those people are lunatics, calling for death to anyone who does not agree with them….What kind of station is that? Oh yeah they are Liberals! At Fox they do not call for death to anyone. They do not use racial slurs. So what is your complaint? Oh, yeah, they don’t worship Obama.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bryan.mcmullen.35 Bryan Mcmullen

        I do not think that “looney leftist” would describe a political liberal that is in favor of the 2nd Amendment. I think that it would indeed describe those that think the 1st Amendment has something to do with their free speech only and cannot see that without the 1st there is no 2nd.

      • http://www.facebook.com/westin.smith.79 Westin Smith

        I really don’t care if your a liberal or not. What scares me is if you voted for Obama you are not competent to own a gun.

        • Christian

          What scares me is that anyone foolish enough to make a statement like this one could also have a gun…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4DW23G4VU2HJAPBFZ7OHNC2FVY John

      Gun control works ask those who can prove it. Adolf Hitler, Joesph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Castro and many other dictators. So don’t claim it doesn’t work it just matters from whose prospective you are talking about. From the communist left it works extremely well and so does lying.



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