The Least Surprising Story Ever…Well, To People Who Don’t Work For The Government

Posted 12.06.12 by TPNN.com,

Setting aside the military, the only people you ever hear lauding government employees for their hard work are politicians and government employees. There’s a reason for that.

On the contrary, overstaffing is a serious problem in government, and the best evidence is a simple empirical fact: Government employees don’t work as much as private employees. If public-sector employees just worked as many hours as their private counterparts, governments at all levels could save more than $100 billion in annual labor costs.

How do we know that? Are we just dredging up well-worn stereotypes of government employees enjoying shorter work days, prolonged sick leave and extended vacation breaks? In fact, new evidence from a comprehensive and objective data set confirms that the “underworked” government employee is more than a stereotype. …

The time-use survey’s data on work time are far more comprehensive and objective than any other available data source. The survey doesn’t undercount working at home versus working at an office, or working evenings rather than working regular business hours. If, for example, an individual was working at 2 a.m. on the weekend, the American Time Use Survey will account for it. …

What we found was that during a typical workweek, private-sector employees work about 41.4 hours. Federal workers, by contrast, put in 38.7 hours, and state and local government employees work 38.1 hours. In a calendar year, private-sector employees work the equivalent of 3.8 more 40-hour workweeks than federal employees and 4.7 more weeks than state and local government workers. Put another way, private employees spend around an extra month working each year compared with public employees. If the public sector worked that additional month, governments could theoretically save around $130 billion in annual labor costs without reducing services.

Even that data dramatically underscores the depth of the problem because government workers are paid dramatically more than the private sector employees who pay their salaries.

On the federal level, it was just reported by USA Today that the average federal civil servant compensation is $123,049 per year.

That’s more than double what private sector workers earn (average of $61,051). Since 2000, federal government employee compensation has grown by 36.9% versus 8.8% for private sector employees.

So, government employees are paid twice as much and get ridiculous benefits, in order to work less than private sector employees. It’s great deal for them, but a terrible deal for the country.



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  • http://www.facebook.com/ann.buckner1 Ann Buckner

    I worked for 33 years for state government at a state university and it was the norm for secretaries to work through their lunch hours. Even spending 18 hour days at the fiscal new year reconciling the budget was not unusual. No one complained or was paid extra for these hours — these were volunteer hours because we were NOT over staffed! . . Some government employees work extra hours because they have a strong work ethic and believe in the good their government job does. Please don’t throw them ALL under the bus.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Ritrovato/100000770255437 Joe Ritrovato

    And there unions want more. shorter hours and more benefits,

  • http://profiles.google.com/brian.andrew.cooper brian cooper

    considering the number of former military folks who work for the federal government, love for one bureaucracy and hatred for the other is shizophrenic.

  • JusMe

    I know two people who work for the Federal government and I was SHOCKED when one told me that if we go off this fiscal cliff that they have already been notified they will be furloughed for at least a month and no guarantees they will get that money back later.

    I don’t know all the particulars in their case or how much they make but… I was told if they get furloughed they will have to scratch to make it through and will have to put over $8,000 a month on their credit cards to carry them through.

    Making over $8,000 a month between the two of them???? WOWZA…

    • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

      I don’t know what agency they work for but you ate NEVER guaranteed when you are furloughed. You are given a probability of pay but not guaranteed.

  • justamom

    My husband worked for the FAA. If he wanted to stay later to finish something up, he wasn’t allowed. I made others “look bad.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Measday/1651307107 Tom Measday

    The $123m works if you include the value of the pension and benefits not available to ordinary, tax paying citizens

  • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.a.woolf Gordon A. Woolf

    No big surprise – AND the politicians don’t work even that much. They are so busy flying back and forth to the homes (on the taxpayer;s dollar) that the amount of work they get done – or hours they put in – is terribly low. AND when they do work, the quality of work they do is so poor it is a total waste. Think of the money we could save if they would all just go home and leave us alone and get paid commenseratly thereby!!! When it all started the politicians were not paid – it was volunteer labor – now they demand – not only that they get paid but they determine how much we pay them. No wonder they are willing to have us donate to their political ventures only to ask for money but then – once in office – tell us what we are to pay them. Sounds criminal to me – they should all just go home. We already have enough laws on the books. WE DO NOT NEED THESE BONE HEADS DESTROYING OUR LIVES!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bob.maguire.716 Bob Maguire

    I’m a retired teacher (2002) and never made more than $37K.

  • The Annoyed Elephant

    Most of the government employees I know (local, not federal) work 40-50 hours per week for pay that is less than what they’d earn in the private sector.

    I think these discussions need to start, at the very least, differentiating between Federal and Local employees – and may need to look at the data from a regional point of view.

  • disqus_jqtjknhFsh

    What is included in “compensation” and what is included in “earn”? Are they the same things? My Federal agency does have many employees whose compensation is at that level: most of them are doctors, nurses, and senior managers. The rest of us are nowhere near that. Maybe my agency is on the cheap?

    amszas

  • http://www.facebook.com/katrina.simmons.54 Katrina Simmons

    My husband is a civil servant of 27 yrs and only brings home about half of what is stated here. PLUS!!! His pay has been frozen by Obama
    for the past three years!! Unfortunatly the cost of living has gone up ALOT in the past three years. How many of you would continue to work your jobs if you were told there is no way you would get a pay raise. Why do the politicians continue to get raises when the work force does not?

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.crutchfield2 John Crutchfield

      The difference is that anyone in the private sector would not stand for no pay raises and being treated “badly” as most of the government employee supporters are suggesting. If your husband has a problem with his job tell him to find one in the private sector. My guess is that he will not do it because he knows he has it made.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vickielmusgrove Vickie Lynn Milner-Musgrove

        Sorry John but my husband has worked at his job for fifteen years and suffered through furloughs, lay offs, pay freezes and pay cuts. Just thankful to have and keep a job.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.lathrop.7 Kathleen Lathrop

      I would. At least I’d have a job and perhaps be able to pay student loans and do more than merely survive. Nevertheless, I’m grateful for what I do have, try it sometime. (:

  • http://twitter.com/philoprof philoprof

    I was a government contractor and we were obligated to give the government through the bidding process 2-5 additional hours a week we did not get paid for. It was called green time. Our gov’t counterpart was never available for the very reasons posted.

  • Canis Dirus

    ANY publicly paid job is a DRAG on the economy. End of story there.

    However, this does not mean that we are not willing to accept a certain amount of drag to ensure things like a strong national defense and educating our children, etc.

    Things are way out of whack these days. Our kids are not being educated well, and there is far too much drag on the private sector for ever diminishing returns.

    The private sector has born the burden of the public sector, and has been done a disservice for that effort.

    • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

      What is way out of wack is the public perception of what we do!

      • Canis Dirus

        Certainly there is anecdotal stories of some sort of efficiency, but the statistics show overall that the public sector will always under perform the private. I’m sure there are hard working folks out there in the govt. The main problem is there is not enough of that type and far too many of the “other”. Unionism inherently creates slothfulness by taking away personal accountability. Human nature dictates that the self looks after the self best, then others. Unions thwart that.

      • Canis Dirus

        What is out of whack is the return on the public sector investments by taxpayers. Ever increasing payments for ever diminishing returns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnnie.simpson.7 Johnnie Simpson

    I think almost everyone that doesn’t work a government job already suspected this,but never had the stats to back it up.It’s just wrong that government jobs are paying that much more than jobs of the tax payers.

  • Rick

    This doesn’t account for efficiency while on the job. Private sector workers are WAY more productive just by the simple reason of possibly being replaced. Federal workers are hardly EVER fired!

  • Glojay

    Here is another “Overpaid” government worker. Yes, I do have some decent benny’s but, 1/3 of my check goes to medical. I have not had a pay raise in 5 years and bring home less and less as medical costs go up. I bring home less than $1000 per month now. Try living on that! I need my spouse to work a 2nd job or we could not make it. I am a proud tea partier and conservative. Before you start flapping your jaw, talk to some of us!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ddunior Doug Ringold

      Ok so we are to believe that you make $1300.00/ month which brings you to about 7.55/ hr. There are no jobs in the govt that pay 7.55/hr. If your going to lie make it possible to believe.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vickielmusgrove Vickie Lynn Milner-Musgrove

        I have a friend that works for the state government and makes $10 an hour. She brings home $1100 a month. So it is possible Glojay makes $8 or so an hour. And yes there are government jobs that pay as little as that.

      • Glojay

        You are also assuming I work 40 per week, which I do not. You have also not considered taxes, and other deductions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.e.baskin Robert E Baskin

    to do a days work of 1 private sector job it take 10 government workers 3 days and it aint right then

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1666490332 Vicky Hebel

    I used to work for the state govt. Terribly bored most of the time but the pay & benefits were great. Now I’m in the private sector & work an average of 50 – 60 hours per week. Make about 60K, pay 100% of my health insurance and 100% of my retirement. I don’t begrudge govt workers their pay so much, but they should have to pay 100% their own insurance and pension like the rest of us.

  • Randy Scott

    Well, I dont know where the survey was taken, but its not at my govt job. I make less than 60 grand a year, but that is with my national guard pay also. Pluss, how many private sector jobs require a trip to Iraq as a requirement of your employment.
    Get all the facts before yall start wanting to cut peoples pay. I haven’t had a raise in three years too.

    • http://twitter.com/scm15010 Stacey York Morris

      BS

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1179289565 Rosella Kasper

        What Randy Scott is saying is not BS. My kids are in the military, and I have friends in as well. They are full active now, but started out in the reserves and what Randy said is TRUE!

    • DrEvil007

      I call BS. You should have gotten a step increase unless you are maxed out. If so then you need to do something to get promoted to the next grade.

  • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

    I have worked for the Social Security Administration for 8 years. We are grossly understaffed!! I work on average a 45 hour work week only because I have a newborn. Prior to her birth I worked about 55 hours a week. I work up until 3 days before my due date putting in over 150 hours of overtime during my pregnancy AND I make nowhere near six figures after 8 years with an MBA! None of you know what you are talking about nor does this so called article. In addition I am a proud tea partier and conservative who does not support anything this administration stands for!

    • http://www.facebook.com/phil.ferdolage Phil Ferdolage

      It warms my heart that you work for the gvt and yet believe in conservative values. There is hope.

    • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.oltman Debbie Oltman Shay

      I work in a federal prison that is usually understaffed to save money…and when you are surrounded by drug dealers, child molesters, kidnappers, bank robbers, murderers, etc….you are working!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.oltman Debbie Oltman Shay

        And our pay has been frozen since obama took office, while gas and every thing else has gone up!

    • Bert Carlson

      What’s your name???

      • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

        Why is my name relevant? I don’t post it because we are made uncomfortable about voicing our views….. this is another thing that is unfortunate about being a federal employee sometimes….my office makes us paranoid about hatch act rules even though the election is over.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.smith.1690671 Jeff Smith

    I must be an odd one then, or didn’t get the memo…

    I am a government employee, and not only do I work well in excess of 40 hours a week, I choose NOT to claim overtime or comp time for them. I also took a healthy pay cut 2 years ago when I left the private sector and went to work for the government.

    I know there are a lot of people that see working for the government as a free ride, but not all of us are lazy and doing just enough to get by…

    • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

      I don’t claim ot either…but I do work that credit, have to admit that…

  • http://twitter.com/scm15010 Stacey York Morris

    When we were in the DC area the city workers were so inept that contractors would have to go in and help fill out their paperwork and contracts and write their bids. They would not spend money available for different programs because they couldn’t fill out the necessary paperwork. Yet they make bloody good money and have great benefits. The GS salaries climbed out of site in 2009.

  • Boohker

    Guessing setting aside the military would ruin your numbers. So, set aside that part of the Fed. that doesn’t support your point and pick. Pick and choose what you could use to support your waste of air. Nice and biased, way to go. As an additional insult, according to your unsupported data, state and local government employees work even less, but, you decide to bust the federal employees’ chops. Hmmmmm, an agenda underfoot? Guessing you never raised your right hand.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JackSkelington William Kimball

      Military is not “GS”, nor are they “civilians”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/wesmar856 Wesley Martin

      Did you even read the article??? Doesn’t sound like it.

  • mark aulita

    Govt. jobs are as much as 90% over staffed.

    • http://twitter.com/ginamarie227 gina baccaro

      like the 16,000 irs people theyre gonna hire to send us fines if we cant affourd medical ins, then take our homes if we cant do either

    • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

      I would LOVE to work in one of those offices!! That is an urban myth, we are drowning in work with no help in sight!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.rudd.9210 Mike Rudd

    I see this on a regular basis. I am retired Navy and now work for a private tech company who has a contract with a state agency in addition to many contracts with private companies and individuals. I am sent out regularly to various state facilities and am appalled at what I see and hear. State eployees begin to think that you are one of them after they have seen your face often enough and they drop their guard. They regularly plan their “sick days” for mini vacations, they take what I like to call “pre-breaks” where they stop working before breaks and lunch about 10 to 15 minutes in advance to talk about what they will do on break, the evening or whatever, and and “post breaks” where they spend the same amount of time or more discussing what they did on break, the weekend or whatever. There seems to be absolutly no accountability for their behavior because their supervisors do the same thing. It is only when there is a rare hard deadline looming that I see real dilligent hard work, but that is also a time when I hear the most complaining, though there is no shortage of that on any given day either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/G-Packard-Willoughby/100003269018429 G Packard Willoughby

    I’m a bit skeptical of the $120,000 figure. A GS-15 tops out at $150,000 and that’s usually a guy who has been with the government for 20 years and manages major offices or projects. However, I do know that government workers aren’t as poorly paid as they would have you believe, just like teachers. Look at the parking lot at a government office building or a school, lots of nice cars. No longer do you see the clapped out 10 year old cars held together with Bondo.

    I used to work in defense contracting. It was bothersome that the GS types that I worked with would show up after we did and leave at exactly 8 hours after they started. As one told me, “There’s always tomorrow and if we don’t get it done on time, there’s no penalty.”

    There are segments of the government that do go the extra mile, like most of the engineers at NASA but sadly they keep getting their budgets cut.

    Far too many government jobs are nothing more than welfare that requires the recipient to leave their house.

    • mark aulita

      Well said G Packard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000523068025 Barb Smith

      Look up teacher pay per state, they make very little.I looked it up. Most teachers have to have a spouse working to have a nice car. The liberal professors however make bundles.

      • Mswogger

        My brother-in-law is a teacher, he doesn’t make that much money annually compared to other states. But he does get a bunch of time off that’s all paid for. So I guess he makes really good money for the time he actually works. I have to work really hard to make the same kind of money as he does.

    • jayriggs

      I am always disturbed by people with no sense of urgency at their job. . .Also keep in mind that those govt employees include congress, senate and the Pres. and the staffers at this level.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jon.fidler.73 Jon Fidler

      It sounds like the 120k figure is including benefits, which for government employees tends to be a very… no, extremely nice package.

      • DrEvil007

        The average federal employee is a GS 11 which means they make around $65,000 per year. I wrote my MBA thesis on the federal retire system and in 2008 the average salary was around $55,000 (GS 11). The benefits are insane though. Sick time, vacation time, federal holidays, government contribution to a retirement annuity and up to 5% of salary contributed to the TSP (401K type plan). Government employees in general have more experience are better educated and have more time on the job which accounts for some of the pay differences between the feds and the general public. But, in my opinion, almost any Agency or office could be cut by at least 20% (of the right people), even more among senior management, and most jobs could be downgraded (GS13 down to a GS12 down to a GS11 down to a GS 9) and productivity would improve. Too many poor employees making too much money while making it tougher for all the good employees who have to do their own job and clean up the messes made by the incompetent ones.

        • disqus_BqB2K7hl2n

          We should be promoted based on merit and nothing else and that would help a lot but that is not the way it works…

  • Hank Stanco

    Hmmm….I am a state employee and I work my 40 hours. I have not had a raise in 7 years and I make 34,092 yearly. And I too receive no overtime pay.

    • heaven5951

      You need to work for the Feds Hank. You’d be lazy and wealthy by now.

    • jayriggs

      Hank, you may be missing the point about all those paid sick days,
      personal days and federal holidays that you get paid that us private
      sector folks don’t get at all. If your self employed, there is no such
      thing as vacation pay or holiday pay or personal days as the money you
      would be paid comes out of your own generated revenues. . . And then there is the pension and medical bennies for lots of public peeps . . .

    • http://www.facebook.com/ddunior Doug Ringold

      Wow so the state can break the law and not pay OT, yet they will fine me as a private sector employer for doing such.

  • Teresa B

    This does not surprise me. I have been in the private sector for +25 years. I rarely work less than 50 hrs per week. No, I don’t receive overtime pay.



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